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Re: Special Opportunity Areas- Who supports them? [Re: sj22] #3551030
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Originally Posted by sj22
I think if they gonna keep having them then once you get drawn you shouldn’t be able to for a few years so others have an opportunity, and before y’all think I’m jealous or complaining I have plenty of places to hunt and don’t worry about me applying. Il

Coosa gonna be mad at that statement 🤣


They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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Re: Special Opportunity Areas- Who supports them? [Re: Nightwatchman] #3551032
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Having the WMA permit prior to registration actually provides a little protection to existing public land hunters. They'll already have their permit and it forces others to invest a little to have a chance at hunting prime land. You can't win the lottery then pay for the ticket. laugh

Re: Special Opportunity Areas- Who supports them? [Re: Nightwatchman] #3551038
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Not a fan in its current format.

A. The drawing system is not equitable.

B. This state has very little public land in comparison to most others. There’s quite a few places (my house is one) where you can drive an hour in any direction and not reach any public hunting land. Sykes seems intent on furthering the SOA system. I’d much rather see him add small chunks of land for public use, scattered around the state. The DNR is brimming with money currently. Record license sales + corn permits. Yet our wmas are shrinking every year and SOAs are being added like crazy. It’s much more appealing to me, to have year round access vs. be drawn for a higher quality hunt once every 5-10 years.

C. Everyone acts like small acreage can’t support the pressure. That’s bullshit. It works pretty well in many states around us and I’ve often found the small parcels to be less pressured.

D. From information I’ve gathered, I believe certain SOAs are used by state bigwigs without going through the process we all have to. That pisses me off to no end.

Re: Special Opportunity Areas- Who supports them? [Re: BrentsFX4] #3551040
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Originally Posted by BrentsFX4
Numerous states have lottery hunts for certain areas, they generate a few extra dollars and hunters get the chance at hunting above average land and game. Lets say they decide to make every WMA special opportunity…all 36 and 750,000 acres or so, you do realize there are almost a million more acres public accessible through National forests and TVA alone, right?


You’re proving my point. Lots of people seem to think like you. It doesn’t matter that we have enjoyed quality hunting all over this state at any point during the season, let’s take it away and make it only available from here on out via lottery

If they take away one single acre from open permit access and make it an SOA they are robbing everyone of an opportunity to hunt

What do we say on this site like all the time:

“The State sucks they want to take from people who are willing to work and give it to those who want a handout”

But now that changes when the subject matter is hunting?


How is this any different? You want to take from people who are willing to put in the effort to hunt and give it to someone else who wants a less arduous route to harvesting a deer.

Makes zero sense

Re: Special Opportunity Areas- Who supports them? [Re: UA Hunter] #3551045
12/10/21 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by UA Hunter
Having the WMA permit prior to registration actually provides a little protection to existing public land hunters. They'll already have their permit and it forces others to invest a little to have a chance at hunting prime land. You can't win the lottery then pay for the ticket. laugh



So that’s another thing, we’ve opened the door to a revenue stream that has the potential to make life better on public land. Problematically, that can be used against us. Because that’s what the gov does

State: “oh wow we made a ton of money making people buy licenses to put in for the SOA hunts. Hey! I bet with more SOAs we could make even more money. We have all this public land laying around, and no one will argue because everyone seems to love the SOA idea. Let’s make it ALL SOA”

But don’t worry. I’m sure the state will use every single cent from our license sales very wisely and transparently. I’m sure every dollar will wind up going towards improvements in public land

Re: Special Opportunity Areas- Who supports them? [Re: Atoler] #3551047
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Originally Posted by Atoler
Not a fan in its current format.

A. The drawing system is not equitable.

B. This state has very little public land in comparison to most others. There’s quite a few places (my house is one) where you can drive an hour in any direction and not reach any public hunting land. Sykes seems intent on furthering the SOA system. I’d much rather see him add small chunks of land for public use, scattered around the state. The DNR is brimming with money currently. Record license sales + corn permits. Yet our wmas are shrinking every year and SOAs are being added like crazy. It’s much more appealing to me, to have year round access vs. be drawn for a higher quality hunt once every 5-10 years.

C. Everyone acts like small acreage can’t support the pressure. That’s bullshit. It works pretty well in many states around us and I’ve often found the small parcels to be less pressured.

D. From information I’ve gathered, I believe certain SOAs are used by state bigwigs without going through the process we all have to. That pisses me off to no end.


Peach on brother. The same things I’ve said for a long time

Re: Special Opportunity Areas- Who supports them? [Re: Atoler] #3551049
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Originally Posted by Atoler
Not a fan in its current format.

A. The drawing system is not equitable.

B. This state has very little public land in comparison to most others. There’s quite a few places (my house is one) where you can drive an hour in any direction and not reach any public hunting land. Sykes seems intent on furthering the SOA system. I’d much rather see him add small chunks of land for public use, scattered around the state. The DNR is brimming with money currently. Record license sales + corn permits. Yet our wmas are shrinking every year and SOAs are being added like crazy. It’s much more appealing to me, to have year round access vs. be drawn for a higher quality hunt once every 5-10 years.

C. Everyone acts like small acreage can’t support the pressure. That’s bullshit. It works pretty well in many states around us and I’ve often found the small parcels to be less pressured.

D. From information I’ve gathered, I believe certain SOAs are used by state bigwigs without going through the process we all have to. That pisses me off to no end.


Does anyone REALLY think that Sykes and his senator buddies don’t load up and go down to Portland landing every weekend he doesn’t decide to let us peasants have a go at it?

LMAOOO

Re: Special Opportunity Areas- Who supports them? [Re: Nightwatchman] #3551086
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Aaaaannnddddd……All this proves is the saying you cant make everyone happy

Re: Special Opportunity Areas- Who supports them? [Re: Nightwatchman] #3551097
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Hears something outside the box…..Personally I wished the state would take one WMA per district and extensively manage it and charge say $500-$1000 for an allotted number of permits obtained through a application process for each property. Same thing as golfers paying $25 greens fees at public courses and thousands of dollars on memberships in a country club…you want average hunting pay the minimum, you want premium hunting it cost premium money….fact is everyone has different objectives and ideas of what hunting is and means to them…your not going to make an entire state of sportsman happy…guys blow over $100k on a bass rig and guys fish from the bank….people spend money how they want on what they like and for the state to offer an opportunity at these hunts for the price of general admission…well thats like getting in a bass tournament and drawing out KVD’s boat…

Re: Special Opportunity Areas- Who supports them? [Re: Nightwatchman] #3551117
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Originally Posted by Nightwatchman
Originally Posted by lefthorn
I like them. Not unlike draw hunts in other states


Now we are working our way in the right direction. What is to stop ALL public land from becoming an SOA in the future? People always talk about wanting to be like other states....do you really wanna wind up with virtually zero open access public land as is the case with much of the midwest?

Do you we want to wind up with only being able to draw a permit on "public" land in some of the highly sought after areas in the black belt once roughly every 3 years(after enough preference points are garnered)

I would think vast tracts of open permit public land is actually one of the GOOD things about this state

makes me angry that people would rather the state start sanctioning off land to make it "easier" to shoot a deer instead of resolving themselves to hone skills and spend the time, and play the pressure as is required to take a deer on open access public land.


It's not any different than socialism, I want the state to allot me land that makes it easier on me to kill a deer instead of doing the work myself to find and shoot one on land that is already public. and in the process I want to remove opportunities for everyone and give it only to select few who are lucky enough to win the lottery and get drawn.


I say, NAY, what about those that put in every year, and do not get drawn, do they not deserve to hunt? It seems quite obvious alot of the same ppl get picked, while others get picked over. I do believe that has been discussed here before. Each hunter should have their right reserved to put food on the table, or seek a trophy for their wall.

It's clear, the guys FOR turning it all to SOA, or the king's forest, are those that readily get selected.

Every hunter deserves their right to take game.
Yes, I shoot what makes me happy that day, that's legal.
Do I believe we could drop buck total, certainly, same effect, everyone still gets to hunt.
You dont see deer? Set your own bag limit, take less bucks, dont shoot all the does.
I dont believe in the rob Peter to pay Paul scheme.
I firmly agree with the last paragraph..... its SOCIALISM.

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Keep it to the few exclusive properties, everyone gets their opportunity.

Re: Special Opportunity Areas- Who supports them? [Re: Nightwatchman] #3551153
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Originally Posted by Nightwatchman
Originally Posted by lefthorn
I like them. Not unlike draw hunts in other states


Now we are working our way in the right direction. What is to stop ALL public land from becoming an SOA in the future? People always talk about wanting to be like other states....do you really wanna wind up with virtually zero open access public land as is the case with much of the midwest?

Do you we want to wind up with only being able to draw a permit on "public" land in some of the highly sought after areas in the black belt once roughly every 3 years(after enough preference points are garnered)

I would think vast tracts of open permit public land is actually one of the GOOD things about this state

makes me angry that people would rather the state start sanctioning off land to make it "easier" to shoot a deer instead of resolving themselves to hone skills and spend the time, and play the pressure as is required to take a deer on open access public land.


It's not any different than socialism, I want the state to allot me land that makes it easier on me to kill a deer instead of doing the work myself to find and shoot one on land that is already public. and in the process I want to remove opportunities for everyone and give it only to select few who are lucky enough to win the lottery and get drawn.



So I am basing my comparison to MS where I grew up learning to hunt. They didn’t habe the draw hunts when I lived there but do now. They have plenty of open public hunting, just like AL does, but a handful of prime areas to hunt via draw.

The way I look at it is am I jealous of my club vs a club in say Bullock county, yes. But I paid my dues to have a decent club where I have a decent chance of seeing deer. If I were closer to a better area, I would join a club there

Either hunt the public you have access that you have to public, which there are good deer killed to those that put in the time, join a club, or apply to the SOA areas.

Quit crying

Re: Special Opportunity Areas- Who supports them? [Re: Nightwatchman] #3551157
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Originally Posted by Nightwatchman
My concern is that all public land would turn into an SOA or somesuch draw unit. What is to stop that from happening? The state has smelled blood in the water with how easy it is now to get people to buy a WMA permit in order to register for a selection. Where will they stop with it? What good will a WMA license be if in 10 years you have to get drawn to use it anywhere



I don’t think this will ever be the case. I think a handful will be draw/soa hints. The rest will be open to public all the time

Re: Special Opportunity Areas- Who supports them? [Re: lefthorn] #3551165
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Originally Posted by lefthorn
Originally Posted by Nightwatchman
Originally Posted by lefthorn
I like them. Not unlike draw hunts in other states


Now we are working our way in the right direction. What is to stop ALL public land from becoming an SOA in the future? People always talk about wanting to be like other states....do you really wanna wind up with virtually zero open access public land as is the case with much of the midwest?

Do you we want to wind up with only being able to draw a permit on "public" land in some of the highly sought after areas in the black belt once roughly every 3 years(after enough preference points are garnered)

I would think vast tracts of open permit public land is actually one of the GOOD things about this state

makes me angry that people would rather the state start sanctioning off land to make it "easier" to shoot a deer instead of resolving themselves to hone skills and spend the time, and play the pressure as is required to take a deer on open access public land.


It's not any different than socialism, I want the state to allot me land that makes it easier on me to kill a deer instead of doing the work myself to find and shoot one on land that is already public. and in the process I want to remove opportunities for everyone and give it only to select few who are lucky enough to win the lottery and get drawn.



So I am basing my comparison to MS where I grew up learning to hunt. They didn’t habe the draw hunts when I lived there but do now. They have plenty of open public hunting, just like AL does, but a handful of prime areas to hunt via draw.

The way I look at it is am I jealous of my club vs a club in say Bullock county, yes. But I paid my dues to have a decent club where I have a decent chance of seeing deer. If I were closer to a better area, I would join a club there

Either hunt the public you have access that you have to public, which there are good deer killed to those that put in the time, join a club, or apply to the SOA areas.

Quit crying


I think you’re missing it. The only thing we’re all gonna be crying about is 10 years from now when we can’t take our kids or grandkids out to the local wma on a Sunday afternoon because all wmas are draw only now.

I’m not jealous of anyone’s hunting land. I have a car I can drive to whatever public land I want. What I can’t do is hunt somewhere I used to hunt freely if it turns into an SOA.

Re: Special Opportunity Areas- Who supports them? [Re: Nightwatchman] #3551167
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Originally Posted by Nightwatchman
Originally Posted by lefthorn
Originally Posted by Nightwatchman
Originally Posted by lefthorn
I like them. Not unlike draw hunts in other states


Now we are working our way in the right direction. What is to stop ALL public land from becoming an SOA in the future? People always talk about wanting to be like other states....do you really wanna wind up with virtually zero open access public land as is the case with much of the midwest?

Do you we want to wind up with only being able to draw a permit on "public" land in some of the highly sought after areas in the black belt once roughly every 3 years(after enough preference points are garnered)

I would think vast tracts of open permit public land is actually one of the GOOD things about this state

makes me angry that people would rather the state start sanctioning off land to make it "easier" to shoot a deer instead of resolving themselves to hone skills and spend the time, and play the pressure as is required to take a deer on open access public land.


It's not any different than socialism, I want the state to allot me land that makes it easier on me to kill a deer instead of doing the work myself to find and shoot one on land that is already public. and in the process I want to remove opportunities for everyone and give it only to select few who are lucky enough to win the lottery and get drawn.



So I am basing my comparison to MS where I grew up learning to hunt. They didn’t habe the draw hunts when I lived there but do now. They have plenty of open public hunting, just like AL does, but a handful of prime areas to hunt via draw.

The way I look at it is am I jealous of my club vs a club in say Bullock county, yes. But I paid my dues to have a decent club where I have a decent chance of seeing deer. If I were closer to a better area, I would join a club there

Either hunt the public you have access that you have to public, which there are good deer killed to those that put in the time, join a club, or apply to the SOA areas.

Quit crying


I think you’re missing it. The only thing we’re all gonna be crying about is 10 years from now when we can’t take our kids or grandkids out to the local wma on a Sunday afternoon because all wmas are draw only now.

I’m not jealous of anyone’s hunting land. I have a car I can drive to whatever public land I want. What I can’t do is hunt somewhere I used to hunt freely if it turns into an SOA.



I don’t wver plan on taking my kids/grand kids to a wma. I will be either hunting at a club/lease or have my own land. The more people hunt private land, the less people will be on public land. Making for a cheap”club”

Re: Special Opportunity Areas- Who supports them? [Re: Nightwatchman] #3551169
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The sky is NOT falling nightwatchman. Take a breath. Sorry you haven’t been drawn yet. I didn’t even apply this year

Re: Special Opportunity Areas- Who supports them? [Re: Nightwatchman] #3551179
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IMO, it’s the best approach for smaller properties that couldn’t handle the pressure of being “open” public land.


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Re: Special Opportunity Areas- Who supports them? [Re: lefthorn] #3551189
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Originally Posted by lefthorn
The sky is NOT falling nightwatchman. Take a breath. Sorry you haven’t been drawn yet. I didn’t even apply this year


I actually have been drawn a couple times and I did enjoy it. I just don’t like the way it looks to be going. The SOA properties keep expanding. And there’s no indication that it will slow down. One of these days it’s gonna rob several of us of hunting opportunities. They’ll figure the SOA is so popular it won’t matter if open permit land gets taken away. Hear me now and believe me later

Hope I’m wrong

Re: Special Opportunity Areas- Who supports them? [Re: k bush] #3551203
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Originally Posted by k bush
IMO, it’s the best approach for smaller properties that couldn’t handle the pressure of being “open” public land.

X2

Re: Special Opportunity Areas- Who supports them? [Re: Nightwatchman] #3551211
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Originally Posted by Nightwatchman
Originally Posted by lefthorn
The sky is NOT falling nightwatchman. Take a breath. Sorry you haven’t been drawn yet. I didn’t even apply this year


I actually have been drawn a couple times and I did enjoy it. I just don’t like the way it looks to be going. The SOA properties keep expanding. And there’s no indication that it will slow down. One of these days it’s gonna rob several of us of hunting opportunities. They’ll figure the SOA is so popular it won’t matter if open permit land gets taken away. Hear me now and believe me later

Hope I’m wrong



I believe you are wrong. Many states have had “draw” hunts for way longer than we have. They have plenty of “open” hunting land as well. Take advantage of the SOA hunts. Seems like they are running them right

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