for bham fred,and shaw, first let me assure you two that I have the upmost respect for CHUCK ADMAS, apparently he is the best bow hunter in the world ,he has 200 animals listed in the pope and young record books, more than any bow hunter in world !!! both of you had "smart" remarks about my question about chucks family. and I don't know why?? nether one of you are any where near as famous as chuck. but I know about you , SHAW, you have a nice family, ive seen them on aldeer, FRED, I know you have a nice family, heard you talk about your grand son getting you bows, our families are special gifts from GOD, so please tell me why you got bent-out when I ask about CHUCKS family ?