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Re: Packing a single stack?
[Re: crocker]
#3349379
02/11/21 11:03 AM
02/11/21 11:03 AM
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Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 343 Hoover, AL, USA
woodswalker
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Hoover, AL, USA
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The cop has 18 years of experience and let the situation get out of hand. He'd already called for back-up and probably should have waited for help. The crazy was a 52 year old IT specialist and was possibly high and/or wanted suicide by the police. Now the cop has to deal with the aftermath and the taxpayers are having to fund the cleanup and shooting investigation. The POS wasn't worth the all that trouble.
I get tired of all the armchair comments about how bad ass some keyboard jockeys would have been in the situation. How clearly would have you been thinking when getting beating with a board? Putting the shoe on the other foot, how would you feel if it was your brother, dad, son, or friend who had been temporarily deranged and ended up bleeding out on web posted video? Some of you guys sicken me with all your bluster. And the officer is alive to tell the story and went home to his brother and his kids. Dude is dead...END OF STORY Unfortunately it won't be the end of the story and you missed my point. Sure the officer gets to go home. But then he has to deal with the aftermath personally and at work. It would have been much easier to wait on back-up and take down the guy in a non-lethal manner.
"The price of anything is the amount of life you exchange for it." -- Henry Thoreau
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Re: Packing a single stack?
[Re: woodswalker]
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02/11/21 11:05 AM
02/11/21 11:05 AM
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Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 18,894 North AL
AU338MAG
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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The cop has 18 years of experience and let the situation get out of hand. He'd already called for back-up and probably should have waited for help. The crazy was a 52 year old IT specialist and was possibly high and/or wanted suicide by the police. Now the cop has to deal with the aftermath and the taxpayers are having to fund the cleanup and shooting investigation. The POS wasn't worth the all that trouble.
I get tired of all the armchair comments about how bad ass some keyboard jockeys would have been in the situation. How clearly would have you been thinking when getting beating with a board? Putting the shoe on the other foot, how would you feel if it was your brother, dad, son, or friend who had been temporarily deranged and ended up bleeding out on web posted video? Some of you guys sicken me with all your bluster. Speaking of armchair quarterbacks...
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
Molon Labe
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Re: Packing a single stack?
[Re: kodiak06]
#3349436
02/11/21 12:07 PM
02/11/21 12:07 PM
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Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 4,186 Montgomery,al,usa
Davyalabama
10 point
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10 point
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Posts: 4,186
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Our police officers have a heck of job they have to do. The crap they have to see and deal with is something many of us will never know. The way people can treat them and act toward them is unreasonable and have to worry about weaponry and cooked up on drugs. It can be intense from the minute they hit their lights for just a "minor" traffic situation.. It's nice how people in nice offices or on their computers can look at a situation and say, "He could have, should have, etc." You're the police officer in your house, how would you handle a guy like this coming into your home? The police officer's home is the community he serves, he has their backs.
“If you do not conquer self, you will be conquered by self.” Napoleon Hill The most difficult thing to understand during conversation is silence. Thoreau
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Re: Packing a single stack?
[Re: AU338MAG]
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02/11/21 12:10 PM
02/11/21 12:10 PM
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Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 343 Hoover, AL, USA
woodswalker
4 point
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4 point
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The cop has 18 years of experience and let the situation get out of hand. He'd already called for back-up and probably should have waited for help. The crazy was a 52 year old IT specialist and was possibly high and/or wanted suicide by the police. Now the cop has to deal with the aftermath and the taxpayers are having to fund the cleanup and shooting investigation. The POS wasn't worth the all that trouble.
I get tired of all the armchair comments about how bad ass some keyboard jockeys would have been in the situation. How clearly would have you been thinking when getting beating with a board? Putting the shoe on the other foot, how would you feel if it was your brother, dad, son, or friend who had been temporarily deranged and ended up bleeding out on web posted video? Some of you guys sicken me with all your bluster. Speaking of armchair quarterbacks... I figured you out the first week I was back on this forum.
"The price of anything is the amount of life you exchange for it." -- Henry Thoreau
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Re: Packing a single stack?
[Re: woodswalker]
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02/11/21 12:20 PM
02/11/21 12:20 PM
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Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 9,257 USA
marshmud991
14 point
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14 point
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The cop has 18 years of experience and let the situation get out of hand. He'd already called for back-up and probably should have waited for help. The crazy was a 52 year old IT specialist and was possibly high and/or wanted suicide by the police. Now the cop has to deal with the aftermath and the taxpayers are having to fund the cleanup and shooting investigation. The POS wasn't worth the all that trouble.
I get tired of all the armchair comments about how bad ass some keyboard jockeys would have been in the situation. How clearly would have you been thinking when getting beating with a board? Putting the shoe on the other foot, how would you feel if it was your brother, dad, son, or friend who had been temporarily deranged and ended up bleeding out on web posted video? Some of you guys sicken me with all your bluster. And the officer is alive to tell the story and went home to his brother and his kids. Dude is dead...END OF STORY Unfortunately it won't be the end of the story and you missed my point. Sure the officer gets to go home. But then he has to deal with the aftermath personally and at work. It would have been much easier to wait on back-up and take down the guy in a non-lethal manner. That’s possible in some situations but not all. We are not trained to wait for a subject to possibly harm or incapacitate is or any person actually. We are trained to diminish the threat. When a person is in that condition, you DO NOT repeat Do Not want to go hand to hand with that person. 9 out of 10 times that person will overpower you. Adrenaline on top of mind altering substance is a recipe for bad things to happen. I will agree with that the officer did something wrong. The officer should have never let that guy get in his personal space. Especially with a blunt weapon. As soon as the guy picked up the weapon and threatened the officer, the officers actions should have escalated. The officer put himself and others in a really bad situation by waiting. We are also trained to fire and keep firing until there is no longer a threat or you are completely out of ammo. We are trained if the first 2 to center mass doesn’t stop it you go to the head. This changed a few years ago due to all the mind altering drugs on the street. Used to be center mass only. Like you said it’s real easy to arm chair quarterback a video,but until you went through all the high levels of training we have now or been in the officers shoes you really have no idea how any situation will be handled.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: Packing a single stack?
[Re: woodswalker]
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02/11/21 12:46 PM
02/11/21 12:46 PM
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Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 12,562 Satsuma
kodiak06
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The cop has 18 years of experience and let the situation get out of hand. He'd already called for back-up and probably should have waited for help. The crazy was a 52 year old IT specialist and was possibly high and/or wanted suicide by the police. Now the cop has to deal with the aftermath and the taxpayers are having to fund the cleanup and shooting investigation. The POS wasn't worth the all that trouble.
I get tired of all the armchair comments about how bad ass some keyboard jockeys would have been in the situation. How clearly would have you been thinking when getting beating with a board? Putting the shoe on the other foot, how would you feel if it was your brother, dad, son, or friend who had been temporarily deranged and ended up bleeding out on web posted video? Some of you guys sicken me with all your bluster. And the officer is alive to tell the story and went home to his brother and his kids. Dude is dead...END OF STORY Unfortunately it won't be the end of the story and you missed my point. Sure the officer gets to go home. But then he has to deal with the aftermath personally and at work. It would have been much easier to wait on back-up and take down the guy in a non-lethal manner. So just house he supposed to wait on back up if the guy is advancing on him? The officer did what he had to do.
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Re: Packing a single stack?
[Re: kodiak06]
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02/11/21 01:04 PM
02/11/21 01:04 PM
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Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 4,674 Alabama
Rmart30
10 point
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10 point
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Alabama
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The officer did what was necessary at that moment. it doesn't matter if the deceased was great guy his whole life up until then and he was just having a 5 minute glitch. At that time he was a threat. Told to stop multiple times and kept advancing and then striking at the officer. Dont put yourself in a situation like that and if you do just do what they are telling you. The man would be alive today if HE didnt do the actions that caused the scene to escalate. The deceased is deceased because of HIS actions just like the "thugs" whos mama is crying on TV cause someone shot my baby while he was armed robbing or carjacking them.
Ethical behavior is doing the right thing when no one else is watching - even when doing the wrong thing is legal. Aldo Leopold .. (except when it comes to trailer tags)
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Re: Packing a single stack?
[Re: woodswalker]
#3349504
02/11/21 01:33 PM
02/11/21 01:33 PM
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Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 18,894 North AL
AU338MAG
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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The cop has 18 years of experience and let the situation get out of hand. He'd already called for back-up and probably should have waited for help. The crazy was a 52 year old IT specialist and was possibly high and/or wanted suicide by the police. Now the cop has to deal with the aftermath and the taxpayers are having to fund the cleanup and shooting investigation. The POS wasn't worth the all that trouble.
I get tired of all the armchair comments about how bad ass some keyboard jockeys would have been in the situation. How clearly would have you been thinking when getting beating with a board? Putting the shoe on the other foot, how would you feel if it was your brother, dad, son, or friend who had been temporarily deranged and ended up bleeding out on web posted video? Some of you guys sicken me with all your bluster. Speaking of armchair quarterbacks... I figured you out the first week I was back on this forum. Really. What did you figure out, azzhole?
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
Molon Labe
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Re: Packing a single stack?
[Re: kodiak06]
#3349519
02/11/21 01:58 PM
02/11/21 01:58 PM
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Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 26,178 Prattville, Alabama
Skullworks
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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Posts: 26,178
Prattville, Alabama
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That deputy is too old and too out of shape to be on patrol. He needs a desk job. Not sure how else he was supposed to handle it based on the info he had.
"I'm not near as critical about how big they are as I once was. Smiles are more important now! We will grow more deer." Jimmy G.
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Re: Packing a single stack?
[Re: BhamFred]
#3349537
02/11/21 02:16 PM
02/11/21 02:16 PM
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Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 10,009 North Jackson
ridgestalker
Booner
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Booner
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North Jackson
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I would have liked to a seen how he would handle a dog. you of still had to shoot his ass, dog on that junked up sob might not be a great help. My second or at least third shot would of been in his face. Do you think a dig would have got him down to the ground? I have no experience in any of this just curious. I think if I was in law enforcement I would want to roll with a dog for a lot of reasons.
"The Heavens declare the glory of God;and the firmament sheweth his handiwork" Pslam 19:1
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Re: Packing a single stack?
[Re: kodiak06]
#3349542
02/11/21 02:21 PM
02/11/21 02:21 PM
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Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 4,271 chilton, co.
hayman
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I’m no expert by any means but. I wouldn’t want to have to fight anyone or anything that couldn’t feel pain. That would be crazy in itself.
“Everything Woke Turns To SH_T” Donald J. Trump
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Re: Packing a single stack?
[Re: kodiak06]
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02/11/21 03:47 PM
02/11/21 03:47 PM
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Posts: 11,785 Kennedy, al
globe
Booner
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Booner
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Kennedy, al
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Ida shot him sooner..... or later.
Everything woke turns to shucks
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Re: Packing a single stack?
[Re: kodiak06]
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02/11/21 03:57 PM
02/11/21 03:57 PM
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Posts: 6,082 Henry county
coldtrail
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The article says dude had rammed two vehicles and was threatening people when the officer arrived. If the officer had retreated then innocent people could have gotten hurt. The guy was crazy, the officer did the right thing imo.
"And the days that I keep my gratitude Higher than my expectations Well, I have really good days" Ray Wylie Hubbard
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Re: Packing a single stack?
[Re: kodiak06]
#3349636
02/11/21 04:28 PM
02/11/21 04:28 PM
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Posts: 988 Arab
oldknight
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6 point
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Glad he's not out and about anymore.
"The Confederate army was not whipped; it simply wore itself out whipping the Yankees."
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Re: Packing a single stack?
[Re: AU338MAG]
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02/11/21 04:53 PM
02/11/21 04:53 PM
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Posts: 16,345 Ourtown, AL
BCLC
Old Mossy Horns
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The cop has 18 years of experience and let the situation get out of hand. He'd already called for back-up and probably should have waited for help. The crazy was a 52 year old IT specialist and was possibly high and/or wanted suicide by the police. Now the cop has to deal with the aftermath and the taxpayers are having to fund the cleanup and shooting investigation. The POS wasn't worth the all that trouble.
I get tired of all the armchair comments about how bad ass some keyboard jockeys would have been in the situation. How clearly would have you been thinking when getting beating with a board? Putting the shoe on the other foot, how would you feel if it was your brother, dad, son, or friend who had been temporarily deranged and ended up bleeding out on web posted video? Some of you guys sicken me with all your bluster. Speaking of armchair quarterbacks... I figured you out the first week I was back on this forum. Really. What did you figure out, azzhole?
We’re not dead. We just smell that way. Dayum. - AC870
Yessir! I’m always gonna shoot what makes me happy and I want everyone else to do the same! If you shoot one be proud of it and don’t worry what anyone else thinks. - SJ22
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Re: Packing a single stack?
[Re: kodiak06]
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02/11/21 05:14 PM
02/11/21 05:14 PM
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WmHunter
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It was a completely justifiable shooting.
That should not even be a debate.
The discussion should be revolving around (a) the funny commentary of the black guy shooting the video, (b) the fact that the black guy would have been saying the opposite if the deranged dirt bag was a black man and (c) how the deranged dirt bag took so many hits before showing any affect from the bullets. The first 6+ shots looked like they went straight thru him without actually hitting him like he was some kind of ghost.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter
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Re: Packing a single stack?
[Re: WmHunter]
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02/11/21 05:27 PM
02/11/21 05:27 PM
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GomerPyle
Impatient Stinky Britches Wearin’ Off-Roadin’ Guru
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The first 6+ shots looked like they went straight thru him without actually hitting him like he was some kind of ghost. I thought that too....did it ever confirm how many actually hit him?
There are 3 certainties in an uncertain world:
1. All Politicians Are Liars 2. All Gun Laws Are an Infringement 3. Taxation Is Theft
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