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Re: Neck resizing
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01/21/21 05:19 PM
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How are you planning on sizing the neck, neck sizer or only partly screwing in the full length sizer?
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Re: Neck resizing
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01/21/21 06:22 PM
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I use a full length sizing die on any brass that's not been shot specifically out of my rem 700. Once fired in that one rifle I'll run that brass only through a collet necksizing die and place with that particular rifle. After about 2 firings I'll anneal and then full length size again. I only do this in my bolt guns. FLS in my gassers
Last edited by furnfeather; 01/21/21 06:25 PM.
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Re: Neck resizing
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01/22/21 02:03 PM
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I've been neck sizing with lee collect neck die then bumping shoulder slightly with body die. Great trick to get zero run out and not invest in real expensive bushing dies just spend the extra money on good bullet seating die. My groups have tightened up a lot and its not nearly as confusing to set up Started this in 308 and will be doing other cartridges same way in future luckily I have collet dies for the other cartridges already Getting that little bit of shoulder bump back seems to be helping alot
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Re: Neck resizing
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01/22/21 02:57 PM
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The lee dies will size the necks straight but the one I tried couldn't give me enough neck tension and it finally broke when I tightened it down to much. Didn't like the feel of it or the scratches it left on the cases either.
I prefer the Redding bushing dies. Size with a type S full length bushing die with the expander ball removed. Then you need an expander mandrel die from Sinclair or 21st century. 21st century has mandrels in varying sizes per caliber group which allow you to tailor your neck tension. This will give consistent inside diameter and neck tension, which is as important, if not more so, than concentricity, which is also improved using this method. You will be surprised how accuracy can be improved by finding the optimal neck tension for your loads.
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Re: Neck resizing
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01/22/21 04:42 PM
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I use a full length sizing die and bump the shoulders back 0.002”. Worrying about runout is a waste of time.
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Re: Neck resizing
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01/22/21 08:14 PM
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Once fired all I do is neck size from then on
When I need expert advice I tend to talk to myself The older I get the better I used to be
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Re: Neck resizing
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01/24/21 09:37 AM
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The lee dies will size the necks straight but the one I tried couldn't give me enough neck tension and it finally broke when I tightened it down to much. Didn't like the feel of it or the scratches it left on the cases either.
I prefer the Redding bushing dies. Size with a type S full length bushing die with the expander ball removed. Then you need an expander mandrel die from Sinclair or 21st century. 21st century has mandrels in varying sizes per caliber group which allow you to tailor your neck tension. This will give consistent inside diameter and neck tension, which is as important, if not more so, than concentricity, which is also improved using this method. You will be surprised how accuracy can be improved by finding the optimal neck tension for your loads. The lee collect dies you'll need to order correct diameter rod for your neck tension with that brand if brass that's how it works.real easy or you can chuck in a drill and remove a little material with sand paper to add tension.one if the best things lee has ever made
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Re: Neck resizing
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01/25/21 04:10 PM
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Was watching a fella try it with a full size die and he couldn’t get it to do it correctly, is why I asked. He was sure he wasn’t doing it right and is opting the neck sizing die It sounds like he was trying to neck size with full length die which can work if preserving brass and adding a little accuracy is what he's trying to achieve.basically he will need a Hornady head space gauge/comparator or sinclair comparator with the inserts for measuring datum line on shoulder so that way he can measure that he's bumped shoulder back .002-.003 for bolt guns more needed for gas guns. Just start with die backed out 1/2 turn out or more then keep adjusting down until it's bumped shoulder back
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Re: Neck resizing
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01/28/21 10:37 PM
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Neck sizing is a waste. Watch Erik Cortina video on YouTube who neck sizes today. The guys that compete at the top level sure don’t. That's actually funny cause full length sizing and bumping the shoulder back .002 is really just a cheap way of neck sizing folks been doing it a long time.the mandrel being dragged through is where inaccuracies are created hence the creation of lee collet die which keeps bullet concentric to bore Alot of people say they are neck sizing while all along they are just barely sizing the case with a full length die.nothing new it's just knowing what your doing.
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Re: Neck resizing
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01/29/21 09:22 AM
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Neck sizing is a waste. Watch Erik Cortina video on YouTube who neck sizes today. The guys that compete at the top level sure don’t. That's actually funny cause full length sizing and bumping the shoulder back .002 is really just a cheap way of neck sizing folks been doing it a long time.the mandrel being dragged through is where inaccuracies are created hence the creation of lee collet die which keeps bullet concentric to bore Alot of people say they are neck sizing while all along they are just barely sizing the case with a full length die.nothing new it's just knowing what your doing. How much are the shoulders bumped back with neck sizing dies?
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Re: Neck resizing
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01/29/21 09:30 AM
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Neck sizing is a waste. Watch Erik Cortina video on YouTube who neck sizes today. The guys that compete at the top level sure don’t. That's actually funny cause full length sizing and bumping the shoulder back .002 is really just a cheap way of neck sizing folks been doing it a long time.the mandrel being dragged through is where inaccuracies are created hence the creation of lee collet die which keeps bullet concentric to bore Alot of people say they are neck sizing while all along they are just barely sizing the case with a full length die.nothing new it's just knowing what your doing. How much are the shoulders bumped back with neck sizing dies? Neck sizing dies do not bump the shoulder.
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Re: Neck resizing
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01/29/21 09:52 AM
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Neck sizing is a waste. Watch Erik Cortina video on YouTube who neck sizes today. The guys that compete at the top level sure don’t. That's actually funny cause full length sizing and bumping the shoulder back .002 is really just a cheap way of neck sizing folks been doing it a long time.the mandrel being dragged through is where inaccuracies are created hence the creation of lee collet die which keeps bullet concentric to bore Alot of people say they are neck sizing while all along they are just barely sizing the case with a full length die.nothing new it's just knowing what your doing. How much are the shoulders bumped back with neck sizing dies? Neck sizing dies do not bump the shoulder. I didn’t think so. Neck sizing dies and fl sizing dies seem to be close to the same price as well.
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Re: Neck resizing
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01/29/21 02:05 PM
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Didn’t Forster used to make a neck sizing bushing die that also bumped the shoulder? I really like Forster dies. If I could start over, I’d only have Forster dies. Only have a few now. I just think if you have your die adjusted right, and only bump the shoulder back .002-.003 it’s not working the brass that much. It’s really whatever works for you. Minimal working of the brass is the objective. Several ways to skin that cat. Exactly people get to caught up in how someone words what something's called.
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Re: Neck resizing
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01/29/21 05:44 PM
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Forster does make a bushing bump die you describe. I've never used one but I use Forster FL sizing dies in every cartridge they offer for my guns. IMO, Forster makes the best FL die available. Unfortunately, they have a limited selection and I have several rifles for which they do not make dies. Usually have to go to Redding for these rifles.
When I full length size for my bolt action rifles, I do not bump the shoulder, but just keep it from moving forward during the sizing process. When a case is FL sized, it squeezes the base which moves the shoulder forward. For instance I may have a fired case that measures 2.000 to the shoulder, but if the die is not set up properly it may measure 2.002 to the shoulder after sizing. I set up the die to maintain the 2.000 dimension, not bump it back to 1.998.
For a semi auto it's good practice to bump the shoulder back about .002.
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Re: Neck resizing
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01/29/21 09:01 PM
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Honestly I think the brass itself matters more than manipulation. Course I'm not a reloading equipment benchrester nit who weighs every grain and compares powder shape lot to lot(Swear I saw a bullseye group do that with Bullseye vs W231!) I do think neck sizing helps in a custom cut chamber but consistent loading practices matter most.
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