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Re: 130” deer question
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Something else to note about the two bucks I posted.....That's pretty much either end of the bell curve for that age class around here and likely pretty representative for many areas ......from 75"-150".......there are only a few of each on the ends of the curve with the majority being somewhere in the middle
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Re: 130” deer question
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Something else to note about the two bucks I posted.....That's pretty much either end of the bell curve for that age class around here and likely pretty representative for many areas ......from 75"-150".......there are only a few of each on the ends of the curve with the majority being somewhere in the middle I can agree to that but as stated its kinda rare for one to hit 5+...ive been lucky to kill a few old ones on the lower end of the spectrum 😀 most are around 115-120 here when mature
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Re: 130” deer question
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Something else to note about the two bucks I posted.....That's pretty much either end of the bell curve for that age class around here and likely pretty representative for many areas ......from 75"-150".......there are only a few of each on the ends of the curve with the majority being somewhere in the middle I can agree to that but as stated its kinda rare for one to hit 5+...ive been lucky to kill a few old ones on the lower end of the spectrum 😀 most are around 115-120 here when mature This is a pretty good example of the "average" buck in my opinion..........This is getting closer to the peak of the bell curve....Your typical 8 pt about this size would probably represent the true peak
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Re: 130” deer question
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Something else to note about the two bucks I posted.....That's pretty much either end of the bell curve for that age class around here and likely pretty representative for many areas ......from 75"-150".......there are only a few of each on the ends of the curve with the majority being somewhere in the middle I can agree to that but as stated its kinda rare for one to hit 5+...ive been lucky to kill a few old ones on the lower end of the spectrum 😀 most are around 115-120 here when mature This is a pretty good example of the "average" buck in my opinion..........This is probably getting close to the peak of the bell curve Average for what age class? I probably missed the earlier post
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Re: 130” deer question
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Something else to note about the two bucks I posted.....That's pretty much either end of the bell curve for that age class around here and likely pretty representative for many areas ......from 75"-150".......there are only a few of each on the ends of the curve with the majority being somewhere in the middle I can agree to that but as stated its kinda rare for one to hit 5+...ive been lucky to kill a few old ones on the lower end of the spectrum 😀 most are around 115-120 here when mature This is a pretty good example of the "average" buck in my opinion..........This is getting closer to the peak of the bell curve....Your typical 8 pt about this size would probably represent the true peak Yep for where I'm at...I killed a 240lb 7pt about the same size antler as that one year..and this year I have a 2yr old pushing 120 already...I hope he makes it and if he does I'll prob let him go next year too ive seen some big uns before but I can count on one hand and it's usually after season
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Re: 130” deer question
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4-5 year old bucks generally speaking.......That last buck was killed in Society Hill......
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Re: 130” deer question
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Something else to note about the two bucks I posted.....That's pretty much either end of the bell curve for that age class around here and likely pretty representative for many areas ......from 75"-150".......there are only a few of each on the ends of the curve with the majority being somewhere in the middle I can agree to that but as stated its kinda rare for one to hit 5+...ive been lucky to kill a few old ones on the lower end of the spectrum 😀 most are around 115-120 here when mature This is a pretty good example of the "average" buck in my opinion..........This is getting closer to the peak of the bell curve....Your typical 8 pt about this size would probably represent the true peak That’s probably about right. Where I hunt the vast majority of 5 year olds is gonna be in the 110-120 inch range and it drastically goes down from there on both sides.
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Re: 130” deer question
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Dang good buck cnc.... what he score reckon..... Thanks! .......Rough scored him around 154...... ...
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Re: 130” deer question
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Now here's one that represents the extreme end of the spectrum on the lower side...........The one on the left......."The Outlier".....I suspect that this buck was over the hill......I saw him for 3 seasons but this is the only time I saw him in the daylight.......The 150 inch 4 year was probably just as much an outlier on the other end of the spectrum.....The quality of the pic sucks because its one I had to zoom in and crop....
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Re: 130” deer question
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The problem with our place is a bunch of hungry coonasses.
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Re: 130” deer question
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High grading was proven in MS with the 4 point rule. It doesn’t change genetics in the herd. It lowers the percentage of bucks with higher antler scores from maturing because their eligible for harvest at younger ages. You can not alter genetics in a free ranging herd. High grading is real and it does happen over large areas. So I completely agree with yall that the studies showed no change from efforts to change the genetics of the deer herd……However, from an evolutionary time perspective those studies would be extremely short term studies…..Animals do have the ability to evolve over time to adapt to changes in the environment. It doesn’t happen by the individual deer changing themselves over time. It happens by the individuals in the group with traits more favorable to survival passing on those traits to future off spring…..Just like with Darwin and the birds that had developed longer beaks…..Each bird didn’t start growing long beaks…..There were simply some outliers in the population with longer beaks than the rest of the birds and it was a favorable trait that they passed on while the ones with short beaks likely died off…..That’s how evolutionary change occurs. With that being said……..On a evolutionary scale, we as hunters have only in recent times introduced into the herd that having smaller antlers with less points is a favorable trait for survival. If we continue to select for this trait over time then I DO believe that we can impact things over the course of a long time period. Evolution says it has to be possible, correct?
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Re: 130” deer question
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Another way of looking at this would be......Are we slowly moving the bell curve to the left?
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Re: 130” deer question
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Another way of looking at this would be......Are we slowly moving the bell curve to the left? No, because does carry the same genetics and young bucks with great potential are still doing some breeding.
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Re: 130” deer question
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Good stuff Cedar Creek - what county? I hav a lot of sanctuary - some of the best in the world at managing deer stress this for various reasons but mainly to keep deer I am guessing you guys probably hav some pretty good soil too - that awesome on the 177 and the 2 150s
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