|
|
|
|
|
|
1
|
2
|
3
|
4
|
5
|
6
|
7
|
8
|
9
|
10
|
11
|
12
|
13
|
14
|
15
|
16
|
17
|
18
|
19
|
20
|
21
|
22
|
23
|
24
|
25
|
26
|
27
|
28
|
29
|
30
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Iso
by AustinC. 05/21/24 05:01 PM
|
|
11 registered members (DEADorALIVE, Okalona, Tree Dweller, jake5050, scrape, Lonster, brushwhacker, Thread Killer, AJones, 2 invisible),
639
guests, and 0
spiders. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
Re: 130” deer question
[Re: Mbrock]
#3330091
01/21/21 07:47 PM
01/21/21 07:47 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 12,048 34°25'49.80"N 86°55'46.99"...
gman
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 12,048
34°25'49.80"N 86°55'46.99"...
|
I had hoped the one i shot the other day would break 130, but looking at the deer in the other thread, dont think mine is gonna make it. #wouldabeenagoodunnextyear 🤷🏻♂️ Gman it’s still a very nice deer. Don’t get too caught up on score. He looks high 120s to me but could hit 130”. We’re/they’re (imma guest at the farm) trying to grow big’uns. We know 1 factor involved is age, and we’re trying. I still feel kinda bad about shootin that gorgeous 8, but i think he’s only 3.
The harder I practice, the luckier I get.
|
|
|
Re: 130” deer question
[Re: abolt300]
#3330107
01/21/21 08:00 PM
01/21/21 08:00 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 4,505 george county ms
johndeere5036
10 point
|
10 point
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 4,505
george county ms
|
If people would pass the genetically superior 1 and 2 year olds instead of killing them on sight, I’d guess about 20% at age 5. Deer are like people, some are just bigger than others. With the currentlong season and the, shoot any good rack buck you see regardless of age, typical mentality, I’d guess 5% actually make it to 130” here in AL. Most of the ones that have the genes to make or break past 130” are killed as 1.5 or 2.5 yr olds. Naturally more in better managed, good soil areas, with large landowners, but way less in small parcel dominated, poor soil, unmanaged areas.
I’ll also say this, I’m talking about legitimate properly measured 130” deer. Not the “my buddy killed a 130” buck”. I’ve put the tape on a bunch of bucks that the shooters thought were 130” and they were really 115-120” deer. A 130” buck is a really good deer.
I’d be interested to see what Brock, Troy, Jeremy and others think on this topic. I’m with you on this one. Type of land,soil,and area goes along ways to
|
|
|
Re: 130” deer question
[Re: lefthorn]
#3330109
01/21/21 08:02 PM
01/21/21 08:02 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 8,302 Right behind you
Mbrock
Fancy
|
Fancy
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 8,302
Right behind you
|
I’m gonna go with around 20% as well.....…Most deer with the potential to be really big are shot young even on the good properties. Very few people are passing the 130-150 inch 4 year old.....With a couple more years of growth though you may be talking 170+ at age 6-7...... I have to disagree with you just a little bit. From what I’ve read, a 4 year old expresses 90% of antler growth. Now I’m sure that isn’t a hard and fast rule, but I do believe by 5 for sure, that is about all the deer is going to put on antler wise. May add some character, but don’t think they are gonna add many more inches That 90% is an average. I’ve seen deer have their best racks at 3-4. Most have their best racks at 5-7. Some have their best racks at 8. I’ve seen more than a handful of deer go from high 140s to 180+ between 6 to 7 years old. You never know what an individual deer will do until he’s had the chance to do it.
|
|
|
Re: 130” deer question
[Re: Southwood7]
#3330116
01/21/21 08:05 PM
01/21/21 08:05 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 11,250 Earth
TDog93
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 11,250
Earth
|
First deer I killed this year was only a 3 - probably would hav been a good deer next year and whopper at 5 - but I had a bow and had never shot a deer with bow before and when 8 w kicker jumped out - I was shooting him - no regrets - I think the other kills I been on were 4 year olds this year
And if u see a deer u want to mount r scull mount - I would shoot it - any deer in the 120s in AL would be hard for me to pass unless I already shot a mounter that year
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
|
|
|
Re: 130” deer question
[Re: Southwood7]
#3330135
01/21/21 08:27 PM
01/21/21 08:27 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 11,250 Earth
TDog93
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 11,250
Earth
|
My criteria would totally change score wise in Tx r Kansas etc
Yea JD - Bama has way to many outlaws and night hunters - and my place has few quality deer but lot of trash - i want to get more trash out next year - my son just got out trash deer and my Camden lease I took out one trash 6
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
|
|
|
Re: 130” deer question
[Re: Mbrock]
#3330139
01/21/21 08:32 PM
01/21/21 08:32 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 8,397 Chelsea, AL
lefthorn
14 point
|
14 point
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 8,397
Chelsea, AL
|
I’m gonna go with around 20% as well.....…Most deer with the potential to be really big are shot young even on the good properties. Very few people are passing the 130-150 inch 4 year old.....With a couple more years of growth though you may be talking 170+ at age 6-7...... I have to disagree with you just a little bit. From what I’ve read, a 4 year old expresses 90% of antler growth. Now I’m sure that isn’t a hard and fast rule, but I do believe by 5 for sure, that is about all the deer is going to put on antler wise. May add some character, but don’t think they are gonna add many more inches That 90% is an average. I’ve seen deer have their best racks at 3-4. Most have their best racks at 5-7. Some have their best racks at 8. I’ve seen more than a handful of deer go from high 140s to 180+ between 6 to 7 years old. You never know what an individual deer will do until he’s had the chance to do it. I definitely can see this. I have killed a 4 yo and my son has as well. Neither deer broke 120 but are both very nice deer. My daughter killed her first buck this year and I believe it was a 3 yo. Would have been a giant when fully mature but he is going on the wall
|
|
|
Re: 130” deer question
[Re: lefthorn]
#3330148
01/21/21 08:38 PM
01/21/21 08:38 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 8,302 Right behind you
Mbrock
Fancy
|
Fancy
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 8,302
Right behind you
|
I’m gonna go with around 20% as well.....…Most deer with the potential to be really big are shot young even on the good properties. Very few people are passing the 130-150 inch 4 year old.....With a couple more years of growth though you may be talking 170+ at age 6-7...... I have to disagree with you just a little bit. From what I’ve read, a 4 year old expresses 90% of antler growth. Now I’m sure that isn’t a hard and fast rule, but I do believe by 5 for sure, that is about all the deer is going to put on antler wise. May add some character, but don’t think they are gonna add many more inches That 90% is an average. I’ve seen deer have their best racks at 3-4. Most have their best racks at 5-7. Some have their best racks at 8. I’ve seen more than a handful of deer go from high 140s to 180+ between 6 to 7 years old. You never know what an individual deer will do until he’s had the chance to do it. I definitely can see this. I have killed a 4 yo and my son has as well. Neither deer broke 120 but are both very nice deer. My daughter killed her first buck this year and I believe it was a 3 yo. Would have been a giant when fully mature but he is going on the wall And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. Most people who hunt, in every state, are going to kill a 3 year old if given the chance, whether a child or adult. Just to clarify, so no one misunderstands the meaning behind what I’ve said about deer getting shot at younger ages........(had a CNC multiperiod moment). I’m NOT in any way trying to judge or demean anyone who chooses to shoot a buck that’s not reached its potential. Everyone is well within the law and their own desires to shoot whatever they want to. Scientifically speaking, a buck needs to hit 6-8 to see what he’s capable of doing.
|
|
|
Re: 130” deer question
[Re: Southwood7]
#3330149
01/21/21 08:39 PM
01/21/21 08:39 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 10,707 Central, Al
Bustinbeards
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 10,707
Central, Al
|
I try to shoot mature deer. Figuring out how to get my hands on them makes me happy no matter the score.
Originally Posted By: Wiley Coyote Well, the way I see it is there's just too many assholes On a good day there's a bunch of assholes in here. On a bad day there's too many assholes in here.
|
|
|
Re: 130” deer question
[Re: Southwood7]
#3330196
01/21/21 09:11 PM
01/21/21 09:11 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 11,250 Earth
TDog93
Booner
|
Booner
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 11,250
Earth
|
No worries MBrock - after my first post - think the next one of my posts was kind of for Gman and the other I was relating to what John Deer was saying
Hunt the wind - leave it better than you found it - love your neighbor as you love your self We need prayer for our country now more than ever
|
|
|
Re: 130” deer question
[Re: Southwood7]
#3330204
01/21/21 09:19 PM
01/21/21 09:19 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 8,302 Right behind you
Mbrock
Fancy
|
Fancy
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 8,302
Right behind you
|
Ha!!!! I found it! I actually found the EXACT data I was referring to. It was taken in three distinct soil regions in MS. Of course everyone knows the fertility found in the delta and the size of bucks found there. Most of AL would be comparable to the antler classes found in the loess hills and lower coastal plain data. MS antler data
Last edited by Mbrock; 01/21/21 09:19 PM.
|
|
|
|