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Re: Perennial fields vs annuals
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Interested in replyโs too. Iโm gonna try it this fall. Just sent soil samples off. Read good reports on Durana clover.
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Re: Perennial fields vs annuals
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In Alabama clover does best if planted in the fall. Plant you some wheat or oats in with it just use enough clover for a pure stand. Next spring spray some clethodim to kill the wheat or oats and any other grass that came up and some 2,4,D-B for weeds.
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Re: Perennial fields vs annuals
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08/03/20 11:10 AM
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Figure up the cost in time, labor, fuel. spray, etc that it will take to maintain a clover plot the way many are gonna suggest you do.....Now figure up the cost of a few lbs of clover seed......my suggestion would be to just throw a few lbs of seed on it each fall and let it go until the next year. Come back each fall and just overseer a few more lbs once summer vegetation starts going dormant
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Re: Perennial fields vs annuals
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We planted 4 perennial clover plots last fall, 3 of the 4 have done well. What I have learned so far is it's all about the soil. PH was good in all, better in some. The clay/clay loam fields did best. The field that was sandy/loam didn't do well at all, the only spot in that field that survived was in the shade of a big oak tree. 2 of the fields still have blooming Durana clover. We planted Durana, red clover and wheat. We did everything following the directions of Dr Craig Harper at U of Tennessee. He is the Durana guru, look him up
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Re: Perennial fields vs annuals
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In Alabama clover does best if planted in the fall. Plant you some wheat or oats in with it just use enough clover for a pure stand. Next spring spray some clethodim to kill the wheat or oats and any other grass that came up and some 2,4,D-B for weeds. What rate per acre? You going back with a fertilizer in the fall?
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Re: Perennial fields vs annuals
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We planted 4 perennial clover plots last fall, 3 of the 4 have done well. What I have learned so far is it's all about the soil. PH was good in all, better in some. The clay/clay loam fields did best. The field that was sandy/loam didn't do well at all, the only spot in that field that survived was in the shade of a big oak tree. 2 of the fields still have blooming Durana clover. We planted Durana, red clover and wheat. We did everything following the directions of Dr Craig Harper at U of Tennessee. He is the Durana guru, look him up Thatโs good to know. Iโll go back and look at my soil samples but Iโm sure at least two of my bigger plots are sandy.
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Re: Perennial fields vs annuals
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I have a plot of WI Alfa-Rack which is around 5 years old now. To be honest, I have not put a whole lot of effort into caring for it, just mowing it occasionally. Just this year it is finally starting to thin and get overtaken by grass, mostly crabgrass. I ordered some clethodim a couple of days ago. My plan is to spray the clethodim as soon as I get it, wait until mid-September & then overseed with WI Fusion (clover & chicory). I planted the original plot in September & it grew decent until winter, but then really exploded the following spring. I always plant some annual fields for hunting season (oats, rye, wheat, brassicas), but I consistently see far more deer in the Alfa-Rack plot than in any other plot. I should add that most of the alfalfa disappeared after the first year or two, leaving only the clover and chicory. I have noticed they feed on the clover year round, but during the summer they absolutely love the chicory.
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Re: Perennial fields vs annuals
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In Alabama clover does best if planted in the fall. Plant you some wheat or oats in with it just use enough clover for a pure stand. Next spring spray some clethodim to kill the wheat or oats and any other grass that came up and some 2,4,D-B for weeds. What rate per acre? You going back with a fertilizer in the fall? Probably 5-8 pounds per acre fertilize as normal when planted and then 0-20-20 the next spring.
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Re: Perennial fields vs annuals
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We planted 4 perennial clover plots last fall, 3 of the 4 have done well. What I have learned so far is it's all about the soil. PH was good in all, better in some. The clay/clay loam fields did best. The field that was sandy/loam didn't do well at all, the only spot in that field that survived was in the shade of a big oak tree. 2 of the fields still have blooming Durana clover. We planted Durana, red clover and wheat. We did everything following the directions of Dr Craig Harper at U of Tennessee. He is the Durana guru, look him up I am pretty sure if you have sandy soil at all it just will not hold enough moisture for clover to survive. If you have some heavy clay that holds moisture clover will stay green and growing all summer. That has been my experience here at the house.
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Re: Perennial fields vs annuals
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We planted 4 perennial clover plots last fall, 3 of the 4 have done well. What I have learned so far is it's all about the soil. PH was good in all, better in some. The clay/clay loam fields did best. The field that was sandy/loam didn't do well at all, the only spot in that field that survived was in the shade of a big oak tree. 2 of the fields still have blooming Durana clover. We planted Durana, red clover and wheat. We did everything following the directions of Dr Craig Harper at U of Tennessee. He is the Durana guru, look him up All of that revolves around one common theme.....soil moisture. To grow clover in sandy soil you need a lot of organic matter....black dirt.....and/or the field be in a bottom. Some semi-shade helps a lot.
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Re: Perennial fields vs annuals
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We planted 4 perennial clover plots last fall, 3 of the 4 have done well. What I have learned so far is it's all about the soil. PH was good in all, better in some. The clay/clay loam fields did best. The field that was sandy/loam didn't do well at all, the only spot in that field that survived was in the shade of a big oak tree. 2 of the fields still have blooming Durana clover. We planted Durana, red clover and wheat. We did everything following the directions of Dr Craig Harper at U of Tennessee. He is the Durana guru, look him up I am pretty sure if you have sandy soil at all it just will not hold enough moisture for clover to survive. If you have some heavy clay that holds moisture clover will stay green and growing all summer. That has been my experience here at the house. I've had good luck in sandy soil with annual clovers like crimson and yuchi arrowleaf, apparently Durana and red clover are more particular. Looking back, I have 3 fall plots that have always white clover in them, never planted it but it's there. Those fields have some clay in them and are high in phosphorous.
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Re: Perennial fields vs annuals
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We planted 4 perennial clover plots last fall, 3 of the 4 have done well. What I have learned so far is it's all about the soil. PH was good in all, better in some. The clay/clay loam fields did best. The field that was sandy/loam didn't do well at all, the only spot in that field that survived was in the shade of a big oak tree. 2 of the fields still have blooming Durana clover. We planted Durana, red clover and wheat. We did everything following the directions of Dr Craig Harper at U of Tennessee. He is the Durana guru, look him up I am pretty sure if you have sandy soil at all it just will not hold enough moisture for clover to survive. If you have some heavy clay that holds moisture clover will stay green and growing all summer. That has been my experience here at the house. I've had good luck in sandy soil with annual clovers like crimson and yuchi arrowleaf, apparently Durana and red clover are more particular. Looking back, I have 3 fall plots that have always white clover in them, never planted it but it's there. Those fields have some clay in them and are high in phosphorous. The soil on my place changes drastically across a short area.....in about 100 yards I can go from barely being able to grow clover to being able to grow it knee deep. I actually still have some crimson growing right now that came back from this year's seed
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Re: Perennial fields vs annuals
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Rye grass is a nitrogen sucker and a poor nutrition source.
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Re: Perennial fields vs annuals
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I have had similar experiences deerman - I am not saying plant rye grass - but I use to be in a club that mostly planted rye grass - saw more deer than any other club I have ever been in and the fields were beautiful - I know it is low in nutrition - In areas I canโt get a tractor now I hav planted it - it is not my go to if I can get in area w proper equipment
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