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Pass-thru/Arrow Question
#31683
10/23/09 08:01 PM
10/23/09 08:01 PM
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Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 3,433 Cullman, AL
AUdeerhunter
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Here's my dilemma: I'm shooting a Mathews Switchback XT (@ ~65 lbs.) with Easton Axis 400 arrows & 100 gr. Spitfire broadheads. I've never gotten a pass-thru with this setup, and am beginning to get worried about it...Last week (opening afternoon) I stuck a doe @ about 10 yards (perfectly broadside), and didn't get a pass-thru. The shot looked good, but maybe just a little bit high (4" or so below her spine and perfect forward/back). My Dad and I tracked this deer for 150 yds. or so before we lost the blood trail, in which we only found 3 softball-size spots of blood. This makes the 3rd deer I've stuck in the last 3 years (same exact shot) with the same result (no deer, no arrow)...I understand that a mechanical broadhead slows the arrow down alot, but @ 8-10 yds. I feel like I should be getting a pass-thru! I've been told that I may be shooting too light of an arrow...I have too much respect and appreciation for the critters and sport for this to continue! Would greatly appreciate sensible thoughts/opinions...thanks!
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Re: Pass-thru/Arrow Question
#31684
10/23/09 08:14 PM
10/23/09 08:14 PM
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Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 17,004 Madison
BowtechDan
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Is your arrow flight good?
Nathan Carl Goff 19 Sept 2016 - 14 Jan 2017.
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Re: Pass-thru/Arrow Question
#31685
10/23/09 08:17 PM
10/23/09 08:17 PM
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Joined: May 2002
Posts: 8,030 Central Alabama
muzziehead
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I shoot the same bow, but with a lower pull, mine is actually at 64. I shoot Gold Tip 5575 with 125 grain Slick Tricks. Pass thru shots have not been a problem for my set up since I have had my bow unless I had poor shot placement and hit a shoulder blade. I would consider another type of broadhead. Just my It is not always about speed. Compare to getting hit with a small hammer very fast or big old sledge hammer and slower speed. Hit them hard and they will fall.
"Don't cling to Mistake, just because you spent a lot of time making it."
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Re: Pass-thru/Arrow Question
#31686
10/23/09 08:42 PM
10/23/09 08:42 PM
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Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 3,433 Cullman, AL
AUdeerhunter
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Originally posted by BowtechDan: Is your arrow flight good? yeah...I fletch my own, and typically get good flight/spin...I tend to shoot pretty good groups
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Re: Pass-thru/Arrow Question
#31687
10/23/09 08:54 PM
10/23/09 08:54 PM
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Posts: 3,433 Cullman, AL
AUdeerhunter
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Originally posted by muzziehead: I shoot the same bow, but with a lower pull, mine is actually at 64. I shoot Gold Tip 5575 with 125 grain Slick Tricks. Pass thru shots have not been a problem for my set up since I have had my bow unless I had poor shot placement and hit a shoulder blade. I would consider another type of broadhead. Just my
It is not always about speed. Compare to getting hit with a small hammer very fast or big old sledge hammer and slower speed. Hit them hard and they will fall. thanks, I couldn't agree with you more...whenever I got ready for some new arrows (a couple of years ago), I decided to get the light-weight/skinny Axis arrows (thinking I could pick up a little speed), but I'm afraid that might've been a bad move...I've killed/recovered 3 deer with them, but (like you said) I hit them hard but still no pass-thru with a pretty weak blood trail...I've been told that I need to swap to a heavier arrow to get a little more energy/penetration???
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Re: Pass-thru/Arrow Question
#31689
10/24/09 05:08 AM
10/24/09 05:08 AM
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Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 17,004 Madison
BowtechDan
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Originally posted by AUdeerhunter: I'm shooting a Mathews Switchback XT (@ ~65 lbs.) with Easton Axis 400 arrows & 100 gr. Spitfire broadheads. If you are shooting the cheap spitfires with o-rings and a big chisel head from Walmart......they are junk. The chisel head is dull as heck and is the equivolent surface area of a field point. The Spitfire XP Pro's have a blade on the tip, no o-rings and cut a nice hole.
Nathan Carl Goff 19 Sept 2016 - 14 Jan 2017.
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Re: Pass-thru/Arrow Question
#31692
10/24/09 08:17 AM
10/24/09 08:17 AM
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Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 16,021 Hartselle Al.
n2deer
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400 should be heavy enough of arrow, but I would look at another broadhead. Just me. I am starting to put my faith into well made fixed blade heads. I have shot several deer with different mech heads that just plain fail to penetrate. Blood trials are always better with two holes.
Now that said I have harvested two does this year both with mech head. Shooting almost a 475 grain arrow. But now have swapped everything back to muzzy.
Good luck and let us know what works for you.
Do you want to hear him gobble, or do you want to kill him.
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Re: Pass-thru/Arrow Question
#31693
10/24/09 08:42 AM
10/24/09 08:42 AM
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It sounds like to me the shot placement could be the culprit. I have had fewer pass throughs and recoveries on deer that were shot higher in the chest. The ribs are much thicker/stronger, you're getting high lung penetration which isn't always fatal, and penetration usually isn't as good. I'd bring those shots down just a bit.
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Re: Pass-thru/Arrow Question
#31697
10/26/09 08:20 AM
10/26/09 08:20 AM
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Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 16,156 Alabaster
Bowhunter84
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i say heavier arrow. i shoot a switchback XT set at 70 lbs. rage 2 blade expandable. i have shot deer at 45 yds w/ complete pass through. before rage i've shot muzzy,slick trick,and vortex. all with complete pass thru's.
"Just remember a gobbler has to win every time, you only have to win once" BC
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Re: Pass-thru/Arrow Question
#31700
10/27/09 04:50 AM
10/27/09 04:50 AM
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Posts: 4,713 War Eagle, USA
Bucktrot
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Hmmm...I wouldn't buy my archery stuff from Walmart. Mfg's have to meet such stringent price points if their products are sold at W'mart that the mfg will sometimes cut corners. (Also, don't buy your John Deere mowers at H'Depot or Lowes as the same is true. Buy'em from a traditional dealer.) Regarding machanicals...if you really want to stay with machicals, try the RAGE broadhead. It takes less energy to open than the older over the top opening type. Also, you may be hitting the deer too high. Also, quality fixed heads? Well, you can't go wrong with'em!!!!!
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Re: Pass-thru/Arrow Question
#31701
10/27/09 05:32 PM
10/27/09 05:32 PM
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Posts: 3,433 Cullman, AL
AUdeerhunter
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quote: Originally posted by Bucktrot: Hmmm...I wouldn't buy my archery stuff from Walmart. Mfg's have to meet such stringent price points if their products are sold at W'mart that the mfg will sometimes cut corners. (Also, don't buy your John Deere mowers at H'Depot or Lowes as the same is true. Buy'em from a traditional dealer.) The ONLY archery product I've ever bought at Wal-Mart is string-loops!
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Re: Pass-thru/Arrow Question
#31702
10/27/09 07:51 PM
10/27/09 07:51 PM
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SnapperSlapper
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I hate taking a shot at a deer that is closer than 10 yards, especially when I am 20-25' up a tree (which I usually am during bow season). At ten yards or less, you are shooting at the top of the deer, and not the side. Where the ribs come out from the spine, they are much thicker and stronger than they are halfway down the rib cage. And this is what you have to shoot through. Second, a deer is deeper than it is wide, and you have to drive the broadhead through more muscle (backstrap) than on a broadside shot. This muscle is a lot more dense than lung/heart/liver, and sucks up kinetic energy and penetration. A quartering away shot is even worse for penetration, as now not only do you have to drive the arrow through the thick muscle of the backstrap, then the thick bones of the upper ribs, but then you have to push it through the offside shoulder, leg bone, or sternum. This means it is much, much harder to get a pass through on a close deer than a deer broadside at 20-30 yards. Combine a shot without an exit hole and a high entrance hole on the top of the deers back and you'll have a weak blood trail. I have shot several deer from 3-10 yards from my tree, with both fixed blade (muzzy and thunderheads) and expandables (rage and gators). You can kill a deer with any of them. But, you'll have trouble getting a pass through with any of them, and the blood will be sparse. I hate really close shots. I will say that the front opening broadheads (like the spitfires) do rob you of more kinetic energy than do rear deploying mechanicals or fixed blade heads. But, even with the smallest diameter cut on contact fixed blades, it is tough to get a pass through on a close deer with a normal bow. And I won't turn this into another broadhead discussion, but I will say that I don't like the spitfires. I bought three of them when they came out, and I shot 2 of the three into does. Neither was a pass through, though both killed the deer and I found both less than 100 yards away. I never shot the third one, and it still sits in my broadhead box. You will get better penetration with a rear deploying mechnical or a cut on contact fixed blade than with the front opening mechanicals.
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