Of course they’re lower. No telling how bad it could have been

Since the flu is claiming more lives than Wuhan, should we continue to social distance and shelter in place forever ?

The fact is once we see what peak numbers in NYC are and not overload the system, there is no way it will overload in the rest of the country so we should get back to business at hand.

I would recommend a flu shot

Let me start by saying I am taking this serously and social distancing and I'm not a naysayer. It is a highly contagious virus and it kills the crap out of older and immuno-comrpised persons. NO Doubt. Statistically speaking though, it is actually too early to be seeing the effects of the shut down and social distancing results that are now being reported. Based on CDC data and statistics, you can have it 14 days before showing symptoms, generally once symptons show, it is 5-8 days before it gets bad enough to go to the hospital and then another 5-20 days in there. So lets take the average of those, Lets say you show first symptoms at 8 days, then 8 days later, your go to the hospital and are tested and admitted, then another 5-20 days in the hospital. That's basically a 30 day course for the virus using avg times and we havent been on lock down for 30 days yet. Why are hospital admissions already leveling off? Statistically, we should not start seeing any drop in the numbers until the middle of next week. NY went on lockdown on March 20, today is April 9th. and they started showing the decreasing trend in hospital admisions 3 days ago as reported by Cuomo and NYHD. So only 15 days since lockdown and 15 days into a 30 day virus cycle we've already managed to flatten the curve?

Be careful, protect yourselves and your families and especially your older family members, this virus is no joke, but I do encourage everyone to take a step back and question everything that you are seeing and being told. Just like the hydroxchloroquine, read Cal's post. Doctors saying it cant be prescribed becuase it is too dangerous?? Cal is a freaking pharmacist, and fills those prescriptions daily and has for years, he would know. I know 4 people that take that stuff daily for Lupus and RA and have for the past 20 years with zero problems My advice is social distance, protect your family but please question what you are being told by the media, do your own serious research, and dont take everyting you hear as being fact.

There are tons of people who still get the flu with the flu shot because the flu virus changes. Just like corona will

Holy Shucks another one.

Social distancing/stay at home orders/quarantines caused this to be worse than it needed to be. The sad part is, the actual experts knew it all along. The measures put in place to restrict movement/gatherings/etc. have caused more deaths rather than save lives.

"Who is Knut M. Wittkowski? He is among the many, even many hundreds, of epidemiologists and other medical research professionals whose expertise was not consulted in the frenzied weeks in which the American political class at all levels chose panic and shutdown over rationality and rights.

Consider his bio:

Dr. Wittkowski received his PhD in computer science from the University of Stuttgart and his ScD (Habilitation) in Medical Biometry from the Eberhard-Karls-University Tuüingen, both Germany. He worked for 15 years with Klaus Dietz, a leading epidemiologist who coined the term “reproduction number”, on the Epidemiology of HIV before heading for 20 years the Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design at The Rockefeller University, New York. Dr. Wittkowski is currently the CEO of ASDERA LLC, a company discovering novel treatments for complex diseases from data of genome-wide association studies.

His work has been widely cited in the technical/medical literature. So try to understand his frustration with everything going on around him. A lifetime of work toward understanding diseases and their spread, and he has to watch all this unfold in the most brutal way that contradicts everything he knows and has tried to teach.

At the last moments of this interview below (full transcript) he says the following:

With all respiratory diseases, the only thing that stops the disease is herd immunity. About 80% of the people need to have had contact with the virus, and the majority of them won’t even have recognized that they were infected, or they had very, very mild symptoms, especially if they are children. So, it’s very important to keep the schools open and kids mingling to spread the virus to get herd immunity as fast as possible, and then the elderly people, who should be separated, and the nursing homes should be closed during that time, can come back and meet their children and grandchildren after about 4 weeks when the virus has been exterminated….

We are experiencing all sorts of counterproductive consequences of not well-thought-through policy….

Well, we will see maybe a total of fewer cases—that is possible. However, we will see more cases among the elderly, because we have prevented the school children from creating herd immunity. And so, in the end, we will see more death because the school children don’t die, it’s the elderly people who die, we will see more death because of this social distancing….

If we had herd immunity now, there couldn’t be a second wave in autumn. Herd immunity lasts for a couple of years, typically, and that’s why the last SARS epidemic we had in 2003, it lasted 15 years for enough people to become susceptible again so that a new epidemic could spread of a related virus. Because typically, there is something that requires cross-immunity, so if you were exposed to one of the SARS viruses, you are less likely to fall ill with another SARS virus. So, if we had herd immunity, we wouldn’t have a second wave. However, if we are preventing herd immunity from developing, it is almost guaranteed that we have a second wave as soon as either we stop the social distancing or the climate changes with winter coming or something like that….

[Extreme reactions] cost the US taxpayer $2 trillion, in addition to everything else that it costs, but it also has severe consequences for our social life, and depression is definitely something that we will be researching. I can say for myself, walking through New York City right now is depressing….

We should be resisting, and we should, at least, hold our politicians responsible. We should have a discussion with our politicians. One thing we definitely need to do, and that would be safe and effective, is opening schools. Let the children spread the virus among themselves, which is a necessity to get herd immunity. That was probably one of the most destructive actions the government has done. We should focus on the elderly and separating them from the population where the virus is circulating. We should not prevent the virus from circulating among school children, which is the fastest way to create herd immunity….

And the final question and answer: “So, is there anything else you want to say about this that—what’s been aggravating you the most? Or what would you like people to know?”

I think people in the United States and maybe other countries as well are more docile than they should be. People should talk with their politicians, question them, ask them to explain, because if people don’t stand up to their rights, their rights will be forgotten. I’m Knut Wittkowski. I was at the Rockefeller University, I have been an epidemiologist for 35 years, and I have been modeling epidemics for 35 years. It’s a pleasure to have the ability to help people to understand, but it’s a struggle to get heard."

https://www.aier.org/article/stand-...MseGjh2WxhXorGoBRpJMdyKh6HHfrEeLOwtF_R_Y

Never try to introduce logic and reason in here, you're preaching to the wrong choir, it doesn't fit their narrative

the part in green should't be figured into the equation to figure out why admissions have gone down, only the part in red.

Excellent point Goodman. I failed to complete that sentence, it should have read that admissions, intubations and ventilator usage/need have all gone down per Cuomo and NYHD. In which case that green part would be applicable.

All stores I have been to are limiting number of people that can access; Publix has a a counter at the only open entrance. People are wearing mask, gloves and keeping distance. Only 5 in ABC stores at one time; etc.

Folks I've encountered wearing gloves are doing way more harm than good

I would not

https://www.disabledveterans.org/?s=Flu+shot+covid-19

If they don't get infected; thats one less person spreading it?

Social distancing helps. I'm not 100% sure that the experts have grasped the full effects of the covid. I've heard read the zpac zinc and the hydrocloq malaria drug bust the covid down call me jaded but if that's true wall street will pressure Trump Congress to make that drug available cause the money folks are starting to hurt from the shutdown. I am convinced that given enough time&money the covid will be beaten.

Hell im enjoying turkey season and doing what I want to do.

Beside the point. And if you think they flu shot prevents the flu each and every time you're mistaken.

It’s possible to believe that social distancing has helped some, and also believe that it wasn’t worth the damage to our economy.

Albany Georgia is a perfect example of how quickly things can get out of hand without social distancing or what ever you call it. Over 1600 positives.