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Re: Lifetime license BS
[Re: mike35549]
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01/06/20 11:24 AM
01/06/20 11:24 AM
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Remington270
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Do you not still get the privilege of hunting and/or fishing with your lifetime liscence.
No, not all privileges. Only some. Do you not get all the privileges with your lifetime liscence that I get with my liscence I purchased this year. I just pulled out my wallet and looked at the physical license. There are no exceptions listed. It entitles me to a lifetime of hunting privileges. If they increased the limit of squirrels, I would also expect that to be included, for no additional charge.
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Re: Lifetime license BS
[Re: Remington270]
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01/06/20 11:27 AM
01/06/20 11:27 AM
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mike35549
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Do you not still get the privilege of hunting and/or fishing with your lifetime liscence.
No, not all privileges. Only some. Do you not get all the privileges with your lifetime liscence that I get with my liscence I purchased this year. I just pulled out my wallet and looked at the physical license. There are no exceptions listed. It entitles me to a lifetime of hunting privileges. If they increased the limit of squirrels, I would also expect that to be included, for no additional charge. So what privilege does someone get when they purchase an annual liscence that you do not.
If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
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Re: Lifetime license BS
[Re: mike35549]
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01/06/20 11:58 AM
01/06/20 11:58 AM
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Coosa1
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So what privilege does someone get when they purchase an annual liscence that you do not.
Stop it man, you're making too much sense for these guys to comprehend.
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Re: Lifetime license BS
[Re: SouthBamaSlayer]
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01/06/20 12:02 PM
01/06/20 12:02 PM
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most of ya'll have completely missed the OPs point. He bought a lifetime RESIDENT license when he lived here, now the money grabbers in Montgomery want to make him pay for a NON-RESIDENT bait permit. I'd be pissed too, hell I'm pissed for him.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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Re: Lifetime license BS
[Re: BhamFred]
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01/06/20 01:35 PM
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most of ya'll have completely missed the OPs point. He bought a lifetime RESIDENT license when he lived here, now the money grabbers in Montgomery want to make him pay for a NON-RESIDENT bait permit. I'd be pissed too, hell I'm pissed for him. That's because he is a non-resident.....i'm not sure why that is so hard to understand.
I had much rather be tried by twelve than carried to my grave by six!!!!
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Re: Lifetime license BS
[Re: MTeague]
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01/06/20 01:40 PM
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most of ya'll have completely missed the OPs point. He bought a lifetime RESIDENT license when he lived here, now the money grabbers in Montgomery want to make him pay for a NON-RESIDENT bait permit. I'd be pissed too, hell I'm pissed for him. That's because he is a non-resident.....i'm not sure why that is so hard to understand. lol
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Re: Lifetime license BS
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01/06/20 02:02 PM
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With a lifetime license is there a need to purchase a WMA permit to hunt WMA's or not? Yes,yearly
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Re: Lifetime license BS
[Re: Ol’Tom]
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01/06/20 02:42 PM
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[quote=dirkdaddy]With a lifetime license is there a need to purchase a WMA permit to hunt WMA's or not? Yes,yearly[/quote Just like anything else that a normal annual hunting liscence doesn't cover. Seems simple enough.
If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
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Re: Lifetime license BS
[Re: SouthBamaSlayer]
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01/06/20 02:58 PM
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Americans will waste thousands of dollars each year buying crappy fast food and thousands more on plastic crap made in China. Spend thousands on cell phones, thousands on gas, thousands on hunting trucks, guns, equipment, etc. And then bellyache about small hunting license fees and baiting licenses.
The DCNR should have just raised the annual hunting license to $100, made it applicable to landowners, anyone over 12 and not stopped the fee at age 65.
Instead we got this idiotic corn bait license thingy - all just to raise more revenue for an underfunded DCNR.
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Re: Lifetime license BS
[Re: SouthBamaSlayer]
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01/06/20 03:00 PM
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https://www.outdooralabama.com/license-information/resident-lifetime-licensesAccording to the department link above, if you have a Lifetime License you only need the free daily permit for a WMA for small game. Wildlife Heritage Privileges – If you have Lifetime Hunting or Lifetime Freshwater Fishing license, you also get the benefits of the Wildlife Heritage License. These include: Hunt all small game, except waterfowl, on any of Alabama's Wildlife Management Areas, Waterfowl Refuges and Community Hunting Areas (Free WMA permit required). Shoot on any of ADCNR's public shooting ranges or community archery parks. Fish at any of the state-owned public fishing lakes (daily permit still required). Freshwater fish with a hook and line from the bank in public waters in all 67 counties. https://www.outdooralabama.com/license-information/resident-lifetime-licensesBut if you have a Lifetime and hunt deer or turkey you have to buy the annual WMA permit. Wildlife Management Areas – If you have a lifetime hunting license and you are hunting deer or turkey on a state Wildlife Management Area, you must have an annual WMA license as well. In addition, you must also be in possession of the free permit/map for each WMA that you hunt. To recap: Small-game hunters with a Lifetime License don't have to buy an annual WMA permit. Big-game hunters with a Lifetime License have buy an annual WMA permit. Exemptions? Carveouts? Those small-game hunters clearly aren't paying their fair share for the common good. Someone needs to get on this lickety-split to resolve this situation. We can't have exceptions to the license fee structure. Tsk, tsk.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
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Re: Lifetime license BS
[Re: SouthBamaSlayer]
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01/06/20 03:11 PM
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Out back
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Have ya'll forgotten about the politics? This was billed as a "permit" until the law was signed and now we call it a license. Do ya'll even understand the difference?? Or why they played it that way??
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Re: Lifetime license BS
[Re: SouthBamaSlayer]
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01/06/20 04:16 PM
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License - gets federal money from Interior as returned excise taxes in form of Pitman-Roberson money
Permit - doesn't get anything from the feds.
It was a "baiting permit" until it became a "baiting permit license."
It's why WMA Permits, or anything officially labeled a permit, are not able to be submitted to the feds to receive excise tax distributions.
Last edited by Clem; 01/06/20 04:16 PM.
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"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
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Re: Lifetime license BS
[Re: Clem]
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01/09/20 09:52 PM
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In your world, why even have restrictions? Anyone who hunts or fishes should have a license, from birth to death.
Right? Daddy takes Lil' Johnny on a dove hunt and Lil' Johnny is ecstatic about taking his BB gun, eating snacks and helping Daddy.
But first they have to get Lil' Johnny a license and Customer ID number and Happy User Experience Number and GameCheck blood test and every other thing needed for him to become a real hunter and become immersed into the system. Gotta make sure he's fully involved so the numbers will be accurate and that P-R money comes back.
And Grandpa wants to go out to his family farm one last time and maybe walk with the dogs or sit in a deer stand. He's 87 but would like one last hunt. But by gosh, he has to get his license and GameCheck number and everything else to do that so he can be counted.
If you're for this, you should be for zero exemptions for anyone for anything, ever. No military exemptions. No field trial exemptions. No exemptions for anyone on WMAs for any reason - hikers, hunters, whatever. Everyone must have their papers!
You're doing a good job of PR for the department.
As for license money, fines, permit money, fees and anything else, the Department should be posting line-item explanations of everything that is received, spent, allocated, salaries and other expenditures. The public darn well should know where the money from the "baiting privilege license" fees goes and who has access or how it's spent.
You can be sure exactly where the money from baiting permits and licenses goes with a completely transparent, open manner. That's how government agencies receiving spending taxpayer money are supposed to be run. Shrugging it off as "Oh, well, you can't be sure exactly where it goes!" is folly.
My god, you're right. You've changed my mind by using extreme examples that have no relevance! Just kidding. All I hear is whining that poor old grandpa has to follow the rules like everyone else. Awww poor baby. God forbid old people and little baby snowflakes have to pay $5 for a license!!! No, instead lets make all the 20-40 year olds subsidize their license fees. Lets teach our kids that just because they are children, they don't have to follow the rules like everyone else. Great way to raise them. You probably agree with participation trophies too, huh? You're doing a great PR job for the liberals... FYI, you actually can see exactly where the money is spent by the Department, line by line. Maybe you should look into it sometime, instead of talking out of your ass and acting like they just spend it on champagne and caviar. You might see why more license fees and Pittman Robertson funds would be helpful. But you're right, losing out on possibly millions of dollars over the years is worth it so poor ol' granpappy can go hunt without the huge hassle of clicking "Purchase" on the computer.
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Re: Lifetime license BS
[Re: Madd]
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01/09/20 10:14 PM
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In your world, why even have restrictions? Anyone who hunts or fishes should have a license, from birth to death.
Right? Daddy takes Lil' Johnny on a dove hunt and Lil' Johnny is ecstatic about taking his BB gun, eating snacks and helping Daddy.
But first they have to get Lil' Johnny a license and Customer ID number and Happy User Experience Number and GameCheck blood test and every other thing needed for him to become a real hunter and become immersed into the system. Gotta make sure he's fully involved so the numbers will be accurate and that P-R money comes back.
And Grandpa wants to go out to his family farm one last time and maybe walk with the dogs or sit in a deer stand. He's 87 but would like one last hunt. But by gosh, he has to get his license and GameCheck number and everything else to do that so he can be counted.
If you're for this, you should be for zero exemptions for anyone for anything, ever. No military exemptions. No field trial exemptions. No exemptions for anyone on WMAs for any reason - hikers, hunters, whatever. Everyone must have their papers!
You're doing a good job of PR for the department.
As for license money, fines, permit money, fees and anything else, the Department should be posting line-item explanations of everything that is received, spent, allocated, salaries and other expenditures. The public darn well should know where the money from the "baiting privilege license" fees goes and who has access or how it's spent.
You can be sure exactly where the money from baiting permits and licenses goes with a completely transparent, open manner. That's how government agencies receiving spending taxpayer money are supposed to be run. Shrugging it off as "Oh, well, you can't be sure exactly where it goes!" is folly.
My god, you're right. You've changed my mind by using extreme examples that have no relevance! Just kidding. All I hear is whining that poor old grandpa has to follow the rules like everyone else. Awww poor baby. God forbid old people and little baby snowflakes have to pay $5 for a license!!! No, instead lets make all the 20-40 year olds subsidize their license fees. Lets teach our kids that just because they are children, they don't have to follow the rules like everyone else. Great way to raise them. You probably agree with participation trophies too, huh? You're doing a great PR job for the liberals... FYI, you actually can see exactly where the money is spent by the Department, line by line. Maybe you should look into it sometime, instead of talking out of your ass and acting like they just spend it on champagne and caviar. You might see why more license fees and Pittman Robertson funds would be helpful. But you're right, losing out on possibly millions of dollars over the years is worth it so poor ol' granpappy can go hunt without the huge hassle of clicking "Purchase" on the computer. What do they spend operating the ole N477GF? You mind pulling that up for me?
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Re: Lifetime license BS
[Re: Madd]
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01/09/20 10:37 PM
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FYI, you actually can see exactly where the money is spent by the Department, line by line. Maybe you should look into it sometime, instead of talking out of your ass and acting like they just spend it on champagne and caviar.
Welcome aboard Chuckie, glad to have you here. What's the latest estimation on game check participation rates?
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