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Leupold CDS
#2935269
10/25/19 11:07 AM
10/25/19 11:07 AM
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Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 2,783 Owens Xrds
AUwrestler
OP
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I have a Leupold Vx ii. Hoping to go on a antelope hunt in 2020. I believe that I can order a CDS for this scope to go with my Savage 30-06. Just looking for some information of what I need to do to get the dial and what suggestions y'all have. If like to use it for all long range shooting. I usually shoot 150 grain for whitetail and hear you can use the same for pronghorn. But elk in the future would be a different story, would probably just need to order a second CDS specific to a larger load for elk in the future.
I believe that this is a practical world and that I can count only on what I earn. Therefore I believe in work, hard work. -George Petrie (1945)
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Re: Leupold CDS
[Re: AUwrestler]
#2935748
10/25/19 07:00 PM
10/25/19 07:00 PM
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hunterturf
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Or just stick with the moa or mil turret that’s on it and download a free ballistic app and have exactly the dope you need for any temp, elevation, humidity.
Give me bout 15 more minutes, I was dreamin about beavers.......... Si Robertson
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Re: Leupold CDS
[Re: hunterturf]
#2935786
10/25/19 07:40 PM
10/25/19 07:40 PM
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joshm28
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Or just stick with the moa or mil turret that’s on it and download a free ballistic app and have exactly the dope you need for any temp, elevation, humidity. Neither option works without knowing the velocity
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Re: Leupold CDS
[Re: AUwrestler]
#2935795
10/25/19 07:58 PM
10/25/19 07:58 PM
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TickaTicka
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Until your credit card gets hit for the tag you ain't gonna know the elevation. To me, that's the biggest barrier. The rest I can figure out. That factor alone has kept me on the moa turret.
Public Land Owner
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Re: Leupold CDS
[Re: AUwrestler]
#2935835
10/25/19 08:41 PM
10/25/19 08:41 PM
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Posts: 18,304 North AL
AU338MAG
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You don't need a turret for shooting out to 300 yards, or even more if you have a place to put in the practice.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
Molon Labe
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Re: Leupold CDS
[Re: AUwrestler]
#2935856
10/25/19 08:57 PM
10/25/19 08:57 PM
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buckhunter2
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Dialing with Leupold is about as unpredictable as Trump’s Tweets.
Goodluck but no way I’d even consider that on an out of state hunt.
You're only as good as your worst shot-
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Re: Leupold CDS
[Re: AUwrestler]
#2935884
10/25/19 09:23 PM
10/25/19 09:23 PM
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TickaTicka
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6-7 inches at 100 yards for 4500 ft elevation change with 300 wsm makes it unusable, unless you know for certainty where that tag is gonna be. Just my experience. I find it better to spend an extra day on the front end of the hunt and figure out your ballistics when you know how that rifle is gonna shoot where you are. In other words, go to 7200 feet at 42 degrees and shoot 15-20 rounds. You can try to back into with moa data, but it just isn't the same IMHO.
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Re: Leupold CDS
[Re: M48scout]
#2935951
10/25/19 10:04 PM
10/25/19 10:04 PM
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AU338MAG
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To me the benefit of the CDS system is the foolproof simplicity of the process. You want to zero at 200 yards and feel like you can hold at various points to 350 cuz you’ve been practicing? Go for it. You have time to dial the yardage, great, just turn the dial. No interpretation or misjudgment under a pressure situation.
Downside is the specificity of the dial to your load and environment. Once you get elevation and temp at least in the ballpark, it’s not that big of a deal IMO. I think large impact differences could be observed between sea level and 12,000 feet when out at long range, but if you are at least in the ballpark it’s still dead deer/elk. I’ve heard a rule of thumb of 5000 ft making a noticeable difference.
To me hunting is so dang expensive that the cost of a couple dials aren’t that big of a deal. At least as long as you have time to plan and you know what your rifle likes. I’m not a dang sniper and I value simplicity under pressure. If I am ever able to get back out west to hunt I’ll have a dial-by-yardage type turret. The fallacy of what your saying is you are assuming that the CDS system on a Leupold scope is foolproof. Plenty of evidence to the contrary on that one, especially on a VX 2 model like the OP is using. If you are looking for foolproof turret dialing, there are MUCH better options.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
Molon Labe
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Re: Leupold CDS
[Re: AUwrestler]
#2935991
10/25/19 10:46 PM
10/25/19 10:46 PM
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M48scout
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I haven't experienced those issues with my scope, but if they are common, thanks for throwing it out there. I'd appreciate a link to folks discussing the problem. I don't think CDS is without drawbacks, but I like the "dial by yardage' approach.
6 inches @ 100yds is a massive difference, yes. I'm not familiar with that large of a change in 4000-5000 ft, but I have not shot it to see for myself. So, good input if that's the case.
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Re: Leupold CDS
[Re: AUwrestler]
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10/25/19 11:00 PM
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257wbymag
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My boss missed 4 antelopes under 150yds this week in WY. His CDS was set for 660’ elevation said aw it’ll be fine. Up there it mattered
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Leupold CDS
[Re: AUwrestler]
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10/26/19 05:56 PM
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I put one on my muzzle loader and I love it. Sighted it in at 100, dialed it in to 200 and it printed a 2" group right on the dot.
May the sound of hounds never die!
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Re: Leupold CDS
[Re: joshm28]
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10/26/19 07:33 PM
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hunterturf
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Or just stick with the moa or mil turret that’s on it and download a free ballistic app and have exactly the dope you need for any temp, elevation, humidity. Neither option works without knowing the velocity Fully aware, just making op aware of the benefits of leaving the original dial on vs the cds
Give me bout 15 more minutes, I was dreamin about beavers.......... Si Robertson
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Re: Leupold CDS
[Re: 257wbymag]
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10/26/19 07:47 PM
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My boss missed 4 antelopes under 150yds this week in WY. His CDS was set for 660’ elevation said aw it’ll be fine. Up there it mattered Your boss can’t blame those on the CDS. If it were zero’d at 100 or 200 yards in Al there’s no way the elevation made a “minute of prairie goat” difference. Did he not confirm zero in WY prior to hunting? Shouldn’t have had to touch a dial at under 150.
You're only as good as your worst shot-
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Re: Leupold CDS
[Re: AUwrestler]
#2937497
10/26/19 08:58 PM
10/26/19 08:58 PM
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257wbymag
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Lmao he took 7 bullets with him. So no. He didn’t shoot when he landed. When he called me I lmao at him
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Leupold CDS
[Re: 257wbymag]
#2937516
10/26/19 09:10 PM
10/26/19 09:10 PM
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buckhunter2
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Lmao he took 7 bullets with him. So no. He didn’t shoot when he landed. When he called me I lmao at him 🤦🏼♂️😂 That sounds like something my dad would do!
You're only as good as your worst shot-
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Re: Leupold CDS
[Re: M48scout]
#2937723
10/27/19 08:10 AM
10/27/19 08:10 AM
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R_H_Clark
Leupold Pro Staff
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I haven't experienced those issues with my scope, but if they are common, thanks for throwing it out there. I'd appreciate a link to folks discussing the problem. I don't think CDS is without drawbacks, but I like the "dial by yardage' approach.
6 inches @ 100yds is a massive difference, yes. I'm not familiar with that large of a change in 4000-5000 ft, but I have not shot it to see for myself. So, good input if that's the case. Ya'll know I agree about the Leupold scopes unreliability on dialing. That's why these jokers named me "Leupold pro staff". I think Leupolds are fine for most hunting but I wouldn't dial with one. Take your scope and dial it from it's current setting to max and back both ways about a dozen times and see it it comes back to your zero every time. I don't doubt a CDS Leupold would dial from 100 to 400 and back a few times but it's the constant back and forth that it won't hold up to and you won't know how many times it will actually work before it fails. It will dial in a pinch but it doesn't have strong enough internals to be durable in it's dialing.
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Re: Leupold CDS
[Re: R_H_Clark]
#2937757
10/27/19 08:56 AM
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gundoc
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I haven't experienced those issues with my scope, but if they are common, thanks for throwing it out there. I'd appreciate a link to folks discussing the problem. I don't think CDS is without drawbacks, but I like the "dial by yardage' approach.
6 inches @ 100yds is a massive difference, yes. I'm not familiar with that large of a change in 4000-5000 ft, but I have not shot it to see for myself. So, good input if that's the case. Ya'll know I agree about the Leupold scopes unreliability on dialing. That's why these jokers named me "Leupold pro staff". I think Leupolds are fine for most hunting but I wouldn't dial with one. Take your scope and dial it from it's current setting to max and back both ways about a dozen times and see it it comes back to your zero every time. I don't doubt a CDS Leupold would dial from 100 to 400 and back a few times but it's the constant back and forth that it won't hold up to and you won't know how many times it will actually work before it fails. It will dial in a pinch but it doesn't have strong enough internals to be durable in it's dialing. While I agree the basic hunting line isn't buit for repeated dialing, you think their scopes that are designed for such use can't hold up either?
Last edited by gundoc; 10/27/19 08:56 AM.
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