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Probably about to piss some folks off
#2931356
10/20/19 08:19 PM
10/20/19 08:19 PM
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Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 12,267 Oxford, AL. USA
Big Game Hunter
OP
Doesn’t Know His Code
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OP
Doesn’t Know His Code
Joined: Apr 2000
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Oxford, AL. USA
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Let me say this first. I may have to call a tracking dog the next time I go hunting. I have no issue with tracking dogs, dog handlers or the use or said dogs.
That being said; are people worse shots these days or does anyone know how to actually track a wounded animal? Or both?
I follow numerous deer hunting pages on Facebook from Alabama and other states. There is always someone on each page CONSTANTLY asking for a number for a tracking dog handler. I’ve seen Numerous post since Tuesday of pics of a bloody arrow and some blood and the poster asking for a tracking dog BEFORE he even tries to find his own deer.
What the he!! Is happening to our sport that “hunters” won’t even try and find their own damn deer?????
IKNOWMYPHUCKINGCODEDAMMITYOUDICKHEAD!!!
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Re: Probably about to piss some folks off
[Re: Big Game Hunter]
#2931374
10/20/19 08:31 PM
10/20/19 08:31 PM
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Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 52,005 Round ‘bout there
Clem
Mildly Quirky
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Mildly Quirky
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Round ‘bout there
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are people worse shots these days /// does anyone know how to actually track a wounded animal? Or both?
Yes, they are. Not as many.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Probably about to piss some folks off
[Re: Big Game Hunter]
#2931377
10/20/19 08:33 PM
10/20/19 08:33 PM
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Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 4,938 Clay co
Ar1220
12 point
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Ain't hurting no feelings here, but you asked and hers my take I am a deer Hunter and also a tracker, here is the problem I see in some of the calls I go on 1. Lack of woodsmanship and inability or lack of understanding on what to do after a shot either a good one or bad one 2.not giving enough time on a bow shot before they start to look 3.use of large mechanical broadheads on lower poundage bows or lightweight arrows or a combination of both 4. Hunters esp younger/ newer hunters don't have a good understanding of some things that are for the most part understood by older hunters I think that has something to do with the fact that a lot of older hunters were brought up in a hunting environment and kinda learned alot of things without it being pointed out as much as it was just what you do. Now with all that said when me or my family kills one we do use the dog on every recovery unless it's a bang flop simply because I need to work him asmuch as I can to make him better when I do really need him. I will also add this in some ways I think another reason you see more requests for dogs is that people are lil smarter in some aspects to go ahead and call and get a dog coming or on standby in case they can't find it which is a good thing in its own way.and there is more people that are tracking now so it's more available
Last edited by Ar1220; 10/20/19 08:42 PM.
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Re: Probably about to piss some folks off
[Re: Big Game Hunter]
#2931382
10/20/19 08:39 PM
10/20/19 08:39 PM
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Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 26,042 Fayetteville TN Via Selma
jawbone
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I have a friend (Art Powers) that has a very good, two actually, tracking dogs. I've never called him. We generally have found the deer we've shot. Mostly because the guys I hunt with tend to be particular about what they shoot and the shot they take. If I ever call Art, it is going to involve a taxidermy bill.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Probably about to piss some folks off
[Re: Big Game Hunter]
#2931389
10/20/19 08:44 PM
10/20/19 08:44 PM
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Posts: 5,243 Behind your shadow
Reloader79
Bitch Peas, I'm a Kitty Whisperer
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Bitch Peas, I'm a Kitty Whisperer
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Behind your shadow
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I’ve always tracked my own deer, most are bang flops with the rifle, but with the bow I have lost a few over the 25 years or so I’ve been hunting.
If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.
Bluetick serpentines around green fields and rock spit a lease
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Re: Probably about to piss some folks off
[Re: Ar1220]
#2931390
10/20/19 08:44 PM
10/20/19 08:44 PM
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Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 52,565 Gee's Bend/At The Hog Pen
James
Freak of Nature
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Ain't hurting no feelings here, but you asked and hers my take I am a deer Hunter and also a tracker, here is the problem I see in some of the calls I go on 1. Lack of woodsmanship and inability or lack of understanding on what to do after a shot either a good one or bad one 2.not giving enough time on a bow shot before they start to look 3.use of large mechanical broadheads on lower poundage bows or lightweight arrows or a combination of both 4. Hunters esp younger/ newer hunters don't have a good understanding of some things that are for the most part understood by older hunters I think that has something to do with the fact that a lot of older hunters were brought up in a hunting environment and kinda learned alot of things without it being pointed out as much as it was just what you do. Now with all that said when me or my family kills one we do use the dog on every recovery unless it's a bang flop simply because I need to work him asmuch as I can to make him better when I do really need him. I called a dog once, deer turned just as i squeezed the trigger I've taken that shot numerous times. Anyways we found the deer "still alive" 20 hours later
Do not regret growing older, it's a privilege denied to many!
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Re: Probably about to piss some folks off
[Re: Big Game Hunter]
#2931391
10/20/19 08:45 PM
10/20/19 08:45 PM
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Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 22,106 Awbarn, AL
CNC
Dances With Weeds
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Dances With Weeds
Joined: Jun 2012
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Would you rather frame a house with a eastwing hammer or a nail gun?? I’m guessing you’d choose the nail gun because it’s the superior tool for the job correct??
I look at tracking dogs pretty much the same way. It’s a far superior tool for finding deer than a human. That combined with the knowledge of someone who tracks 100 deer a year makes for a much higher probability for recovery. Folks just want to find the buck they shot and they recognize that they stand a far better chance by calling in a tracker with a dog. A lot of calls I get just want me for sort of like an insurance policy. They’ve shot that big one and its more than worth it to them to bring in a tracker to insure a recovery. They don’t care about trying prove themselves to others as being a “worthy tracker” themselves. They just want to find their deer.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Probably about to piss some folks off
[Re: Reloader79]
#2931399
10/20/19 08:47 PM
10/20/19 08:47 PM
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Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 52,565 Gee's Bend/At The Hog Pen
James
Freak of Nature
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are people worse shots these days /// does anyone know how to actually track a wounded animal? Or both?
Yes, they are. Not as many. I remember a bunch of guys (Older Guys) from different clubs back in the day that i was in that would find a few drops of blood, and say oh well, i made a bad shot it probably live, or it was just a doe, and I'm not tracking that damn thing...
Do not regret growing older, it's a privilege denied to many!
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Re: Probably about to piss some folks off
[Re: jawbone]
#2931401
10/20/19 08:48 PM
10/20/19 08:48 PM
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Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 52,565 Gee's Bend/At The Hog Pen
James
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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I have a friend (Art Powers) that has a very good, two actually, tracking dogs. I've never called him. We generally have found the deer we've shot. Mostly because the guys I hunt with tend to be particular about what they shoot and the shot they take. If I ever call Art, it is going to involve a taxidermy bill. Yep he's a good guy!
Do not regret growing older, it's a privilege denied to many!
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Re: Probably about to piss some folks off
[Re: Big Game Hunter]
#2931408
10/20/19 08:54 PM
10/20/19 08:54 PM
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Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 12,807 behind my Dillon
dave260rem!
Skinny’s Ex
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Not offended at all BGH. I'm no world class shooter hunter but I've followed O'Connors advice to hold 1/3 the way up broadside. Far all the ballistic gack us powder burning gun loonys speak of today's bullets are the best yes even the Barnes ttsxs.(That'll be screenshotted ol partition loving Dave said something positive about Barnes bullets.) Another problem is the internet says this 6.5 300 prc whizbang eargensplitten loudenboomer kills deer at 1583 yards with this scop&ammo combo no need to practice just run the numbers twist the turrents and yank the trigger equals dead deer. Targets reveal the cold hard truth and nobody has "time" for that.
Skinny is my EX.Alcohol was involved.
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Re: Probably about to piss some folks off
[Re: Big Game Hunter]
#2931411
10/20/19 08:56 PM
10/20/19 08:56 PM
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Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 22,106 Awbarn, AL
CNC
Dances With Weeds
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Dances With Weeds
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Awbarn, AL
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The general comments the OP made gets posted a good bit on social media. It tends to be the case though that the person posting it has never used a tracking dog or seen one work. Also, if you’ll notice….I don’t think I’ve seen a single person yet who HAS used a tracking dog who agrees with the sentiments. It’s always the exact opposite. I think a lot of this just has to do with folks not knowing enough about the whole situation.
Last edited by CNC; 10/20/19 08:56 PM.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Probably about to piss some folks off
[Re: Big Game Hunter]
#2931419
10/20/19 09:08 PM
10/20/19 09:08 PM
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Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,866 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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Boxes Cove
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Lota people bow hunting that really should wait till gun season.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Probably about to piss some folks off
[Re: James]
#2931421
10/20/19 09:10 PM
10/20/19 09:10 PM
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Posts: 19,740 Pelham
Ben2
Old Mossy Horns
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I have a friend (Art Powers) that has a very good, two actually, tracking dogs. I've never called him. We generally have found the deer we've shot. Mostly because the guys I hunt with tend to be particular about what they shoot and the shot they take. If I ever call Art, it is going to involve a taxidermy bill. Yep he's a good guy! Yep he is awesome. I called him because I had 3 hrs to find a deer I shot the afternoon before and only had white hair at the impact site. I wanted to know for sure the deer was alive as I could find no blood and white hair is normally bad. His dog found the deer in about 5 minutes.
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Re: Probably about to piss some folks off
[Re: Big Game Hunter]
#2931427
10/20/19 09:14 PM
10/20/19 09:14 PM
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Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 44,211 North Alabama
Wiley Coyote
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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I believe a lot of this falls to marginal shots taken when no shot should have been made. I haven't bow hunted in a few years now but I've lost a few back when I did. I always tried to hold off until THE shot presented itself. Quite often that meant no shot. I've had some hoss bucks at short yardage but no favorable shot presented itself and I didn't take the low percentage shot. That's hard on the nerves and the hopes of getting that big one but it's the right decision. When I read about a deer being trailed 1000 yards and it's found/not found/still alive, etc it speaks to me of poor shot/deflected shot OR a shot that was made knowing that a dog could be put on the deer after the poorly placed shot. Then the pics come along and provide the evidence.
All that being said, I will bow hunt again, possibly this season. I run the risk of losing a deer that I shoot but it won't be because I tried to make a shot out of a situation that wasn't gonna do anything but wound the deer in hopes of finding it with a dog.
I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.
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Re: Probably about to piss some folks off
[Re: Big Game Hunter]
#2931434
10/20/19 09:19 PM
10/20/19 09:19 PM
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Posts: 1,114 Pensacola
level5
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My daughter sat with me from 12 to 16 years old(she is in her early 20s now). She killed at least a deer every year during that time and let several good ones go because she was not comfortable with the shot. During that time, I thought I taught her about shot selection. If the deer is walking to you, you have to wait on him to get beside you or past you for the best shot if he does not turn.
Well last deer season she struggled to kill one and took a shot where the deer was at a bad angle. Found a definite hit. As cheap as I am about stuff like that, I backed out and called a dog man. We always had a house dog semi-trained that did a damn good job on a leash, and they were great when you killed the deer and just needed to find it. This dog was/is PROFESSIONAL...Zeena out of Columbus, GA if I remember.
I don't know about the cool thing to do, but it was damn sure cool. I was impressed. As much as spend on hunting, that extra bit was well worth it to ease my daughter's conscience about that bad shot and get some sausage. Hell, she was upset enough that he suffered as long as he did. So for even that small buck, it was worth it to me.
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