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Re: Fish ID?
[Re: OlTimer]
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10/01/19 06:55 AM
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Correct Stob. Perdido, Styx and Blackwater river's have them in Baldwin County. I believe that the fish you are catching in South AL is called a Warmouth by the state. I've caught them from several creeks down that way and it is a different fish than the one in our rocky creeks up here. http://www.outdooralabama.com/bream/warmouth
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Re: Fish ID?
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10/01/19 07:24 AM
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Correct Stob. Perdido, Styx and Blackwater river's have them in Baldwin County. I believe that the fish you are catching in South AL is called a Warmouth by the state. I've caught them from several creeks down that way and it is a different fish than the one in our rocky creeks up here. http://www.outdooralabama.com/bream/warmouthNope PCP, it is not a warmouth. It is a rock bass. Perdido and Styx are swift up where you catch the rock bass. You have to tight line fish with heavy weights to get your bait down in the cover. I've caught warmouth/goggle eye all my life and they prefer slow moving water. Tensaw river system is full of warmouth.
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Re: Fish ID?
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10/01/19 08:26 AM
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Correct Stob. Perdido, Styx and Blackwater river's have them in Baldwin County. I believe that the fish you are catching in South AL is called a Warmouth by the state. I've caught them from several creeks down that way and it is a different fish than the one in our rocky creeks up here. http://www.outdooralabama.com/bream/warmouthNope PCP, it is not a warmouth. It is a rock bass. Perdido and Styx are swift up where you catch the rock bass. You have to tight line fish with heavy weights to get your bait down in the cover. I've caught warmouth/goggle eye all my life and they prefer slow moving water. Tensaw river system is full of warmouth. I certainly don't mean to argue; I started the thread because I don't know the answer. If you just look at the description, I agree that it sounds more like a Rock Bass than anything else. But then the state says this about the Rock Bass: >>>DISTRIBUTION: Rock bass are limited to the Tennessee River system in Alabama, but they could eventually enter the upper Tombigbee River system through the Tennessee-Tombigbee Waterway.<<< http://www.outdooralabama.com/bream/rock-bassSo if the Rock Bass is limited to the TN river basin, the fish in South AL has to be something different. Based on the descriptions at the state website, it's possible that there are Shadow Bass in South AL. I have fished that area a good bit many years ago and we caught lots of Warmouth, but I never caught a fish like this. It sounds like you have caught a fish down that way that you are sure is different than a Warmouth, so maybe it really is the same one we have up here. I hope AU_trout_bum will see this thread and comment. He studies Red-eyes for a living, so he oughta be familiar with the fish that share their water. It doesn't really matter, but I have wondered what they are for about 40 years __
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Re: Fish ID?
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10/01/19 09:39 AM
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Sammich bass
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Re: Fish ID?
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10/01/19 09:44 AM
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I was gonna say "Goggle Eye", and I noticed that description says that's a local name for Shadow Bass (which I've never heard of).
What do you mean when you say rock bass aren't in the Coosa system?
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Re: Fish ID?
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10/01/19 10:08 AM
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I was gonna say "Goggle Eye", and I noticed that description says that's a local name for Shadow Bass (which I've never heard of).
What do you mean when you say rock bass aren't in the Coosa system? IKB, follow the link a few posts above and it will take you to the dcnr web site. That is the info I was going by. They say they are only found in the TN system in AL, so that leaves out the Coosa. I think Goggle-eye is used by folks to describe any of the 3 fish we have discussed. Blade, thanks for the info. I will ask him.
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Re: Fish ID?
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10/01/19 11:55 AM
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PCP, I had forgotten, but Doug Darr is the Aquatic Education Coordinator for Alabama. I sent him a photo of a fish once and he identified it. He was very helpful. His email is Doug.Darr@dcnr.alabama.gov. He can probably give a definitive answer. (Shadow Bass, haha) Well, Doug has retired, but apparently Kasie McKee has taken his position and she confirmed that it is a Shadow Bass. Nobody in Coosa Co is gonna agree with me when I call them that, but at least I know now. Thanks for all the help in figuring out what it is.
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Re: Fish ID?
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10/01/19 12:50 PM
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A few smallmouth would make you a dam fine fish fry in addition. And I have never caught one. It has occurred to me that I am not getting any younger, so if I want to accomplish that feat I might ouught to be planning a trip to do it. So where I can go catch a smallmouth in a natural river setting? I know they caught them behind dams in the fall, but I'd rather fish a natural river. Is there such a place left? Wading creeks in the metro Nashville area produce some big ones. There are actually some guides that specialize in it. I’ve said every summer for the past several years I was gonna do it but never have
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Re: Fish ID?
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10/01/19 02:10 PM
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My son has caught most of the species of bass. Betcha he hasn't caught a shadow bass.
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Re: Fish ID?
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10/01/19 04:05 PM
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I still think your fish is a rock bass, the way the spots line up. I thought from looking at pictures that it looked more like a Rock Bass too, but the eggheads who decide such things say that the Coosa system doesn't have Rock Bass. Keep in mind that they used to say that the Shadow Bass is just a sub-species of the Rock Bass, so they are closely related and easily confused if you are just looking at them. They are much more advanced these days in being able to check the genetics of a fish and make the determination on whether it's a distinct species. I have noticed a lot of variation in the colors of the Shadow Bass that I have caught over the years. I don't think they are any sort of hybrid, as some have speculated. This is a very common fish in the creeks in Coosa Co. We didn't have them in the creeks of Perry county where I grew up. Brent, that is interesting on the wade fishing for smallmouth. I hadn't thought of approaching it that way. I thought I had heard most every name for AL fish, but "Flier" is a new one for me before this thread. The one in the picture has a smaller mouth than the Shadow Bass.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: Fish ID?
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10/01/19 09:13 PM
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Sorry for dragging around and missing this. As you already know, it's a shadow bass!
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Re: Fish ID?
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10/02/19 07:11 AM
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Sorry for dragging around and missing this. As you already know, it's a shadow bass! The authority speaks! Thanks
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