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Re: Not trying to offend anyone here but....
[Re: timbercruiser]
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09/13/19 09:12 AM
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Ben2
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I don't give a damn what anybody says, I, along with a good friend, saw a large black cat around 1974 in Barbour county about 8:00 am on a clear frosty morning at about 25 yards away. No doubt about it. it just was not a black panther because they do not exist. Could have been another type of cat or dog or something just cant be a black panther
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Re: Not trying to offend anyone here but....
[Re: flounderpounder]
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09/13/19 09:22 AM
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cartervj
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It's absolutely impossible, right? Jagurandi exist. Why does anyone ASSUME when somebody sees something they'e saying viable breeding population? A single Mtn Lion from out West traveled 2,000 plus miles and was run over on the NJ Turn Pike, he was wearing a collar so he was known. Just 5 years ago people were laughed at if they seen a Mtn Lion in TN, now there is 10 plus proven cases. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JaguarColor variation
A melanistic jaguar is a color morph which occurs at about 6 percent frequency in populations Melanistic jaguars are informally known as black panthers, but as with all forms of polymorphism they do not form a separate species. The black morph is less common than the spotted morph, estimated at occurring in about 6% of the South American jaguar population.[35] In Mexico's Sierra Madre Occidental, the first black jaguar was recorded in 2004.[36]
Some evidence indicates that the melanistic allele is dominant, and being supported by natural selection.[37] The black form may be an example of heterozygote advantage; breeding in captivity is not yet conclusive on this. Melanistic jaguars (or "black" jaguars) occur primarily in parts of South America, and are virtually unknown in wild populations residing in the subtropical and temperate regions of North America; they have rarely been documented north of Mexico's Isthmus of Tehuantepec.[38]
Extremely rare albino individuals, sometimes called white panthers, also occur among jaguars, as with the other big cats.[24] As usual with albinos in the wild, selection keeps the frequency close to the rate of mutation.
Distribution and habitat
The jaguar inhabits a variety of forested and open habitat, but is strongly associated with the presence of water.[24] At present, the jaguar's range extends from Mexico through Central America to South America,
Last edited by cartervj; 09/13/19 09:28 AM.
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Not trying to offend anyone here but....
[Re: flounderpounder]
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09/13/19 01:10 PM
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WmHunter
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My Dad hit a golden haired panther on U.S Highway 231 between Montgomery and Troy about 20 years ago. He knew it was a cougar/panther because it had a long tail.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter
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Re: Not trying to offend anyone here but....
[Re: blumsden]
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09/13/19 01:15 PM
09/13/19 01:15 PM
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HoofNSpur
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Large cats with long tails, call them what you want. I don't believe in ghost, bigfoot, the grassy knoll, and I've never seen an alien or ufo, but I did see a large black cat with a long tail, and really don't care who believes me. Same here seen it with my own two eyes and don't care what y'all say. Large black cat with long black tail crossed dirt road in 1999.
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Re: Not trying to offend anyone here but....
[Re: flounderpounder]
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09/13/19 01:28 PM
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I'm actually you guys don't shoot all of these many big black cats yall are always seeing... There would be a lot of sad little kids missing their black lab!
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Re: Not trying to offend anyone here but....
[Re: cartervj]
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09/13/19 01:38 PM
09/13/19 01:38 PM
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jono23
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It's absolutely impossible, right? Jagurandi exist. Why does anyone ASSUME when somebody sees something they'e saying viable breeding population? A single Mtn Lion from out West traveled 2,000 plus miles and was run over on the NJ Turn Pike, he was wearing a collar so he was known. Just 5 years ago people were laughed at if they seen a Mtn Lion in TN, now there is 10 plus proven cases. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JaguarColor variation
A melanistic jaguar is a color morph which occurs at about 6 percent frequency in populations Melanistic jaguars are informally known as black panthers, but as with all forms of polymorphism they do not form a separate species. The black morph is less common than the spotted morph, estimated at occurring in about 6% of the South American jaguar population.[35] In Mexico's Sierra Madre Occidental, the first black jaguar was recorded in 2004.[36]
Some evidence indicates that the melanistic allele is dominant, and being supported by natural selection.[37] The black form may be an example of heterozygote advantage; breeding in captivity is not yet conclusive on this. Melanistic jaguars (or "black" jaguars) occur primarily in parts of South America, and are virtually unknown in wild populations residing in the subtropical and temperate regions of North America; they have rarely been documented north of Mexico's Isthmus of Tehuantepec.[38]
Extremely rare albino individuals, sometimes called white panthers, also occur among jaguars, as with the other big cats.[24] As usual with albinos in the wild, selection keeps the frequency close to the rate of mutation.
Distribution and habitat
The jaguar inhabits a variety of forested and open habitat, but is strongly associated with the presence of water.[24] At present, the jaguar's range extends from Mexico through Central America to South America, What are you saying? Jagarundi, Mountain LIons/cougars/pumas/panthers, and jaguars are three different species.
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Re: Not trying to offend anyone here but....
[Re: flounderpounder]
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09/13/19 02:07 PM
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Saw my 1st black panther in the mountainous region of Pelham back in '93 or '94. This was just after seeing Elvis Presley at the Wavaho station getting a grape slurpee & a chicken burrito. Could've been a bean burrito, but I cannot recall for sure.
The left lane is for the the purpose of moving the flow of traffic forward regardless of the speed limit. If your impeding the flow of traffic get your ass in the right lane. It's really that simple...
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Re: Not trying to offend anyone here but....
[Re: goodman_hunter]
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09/13/19 02:35 PM
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I seen a camel in Elba back in the 90's I've seen a few camel toes back in the day
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Re: Not trying to offend anyone here but....
[Re: flounderpounder]
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09/13/19 02:36 PM
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flounderpounder
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The mountains of Pelham huh? Are you sure you wasn't helping John Travis89 drag a free range buck out of the big pen when you saw it????
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Re: Not trying to offend anyone here but....
[Re: jono23]
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09/13/19 06:40 PM
09/13/19 06:40 PM
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Posts: 22,262 colbert county
cartervj
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It's absolutely impossible, right? Jagurandi exist. Why does anyone ASSUME when somebody sees something they'e saying viable breeding population? A single Mtn Lion from out West traveled 2,000 plus miles and was run over on the NJ Turn Pike, he was wearing a collar so he was known. Just 5 years ago people were laughed at if they seen a Mtn Lion in TN, now there is 10 plus proven cases. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JaguarColor variation
A melanistic jaguar is a color morph which occurs at about 6 percent frequency in populations Melanistic jaguars are informally known as black panthers, but as with all forms of polymorphism they do not form a separate species. The black morph is less common than the spotted morph, estimated at occurring in about 6% of the South American jaguar population.[35] In Mexico's Sierra Madre Occidental, the first black jaguar was recorded in 2004.[36]
Some evidence indicates that the melanistic allele is dominant, and being supported by natural selection.[37] The black form may be an example of heterozygote advantage; breeding in captivity is not yet conclusive on this. Melanistic jaguars (or "black" jaguars) occur primarily in parts of South America, and are virtually unknown in wild populations residing in the subtropical and temperate regions of North America; they have rarely been documented north of Mexico's Isthmus of Tehuantepec.[38]
Extremely rare albino individuals, sometimes called white panthers, also occur among jaguars, as with the other big cats.[24] As usual with albinos in the wild, selection keeps the frequency close to the rate of mutation.
Distribution and habitat
The jaguar inhabits a variety of forested and open habitat, but is strongly associated with the presence of water.[24] At present, the jaguar's range extends from Mexico through Central America to South America, What are you saying? Jagarundi, Mountain LIons/cougars/pumas/panthers, and jaguars are three different species. 2 subspecies of which have a melanistic color phase I’ve seen a western diamond back in Colbert county, it was run over on a road. How’d it get here? I’d guess someone let it go but it was here in a remote area. Clift notes version. Anything is possible
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Not trying to offend anyone here but....
[Re: Shaw]
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09/13/19 08:14 PM
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hunterbuck
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Yep. Threads like these make me hope I don't hunt around some of the people here.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
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Re: Not trying to offend anyone here but....
[Re: hunterbuck]
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09/13/19 09:33 PM
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Posts: 148 Abbeville, Al
wheelgun
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Yep. Threads like these make me hope I don't hunt around some of the people here. Me too.
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Re: Not trying to offend anyone here but....
[Re: wheelgun]
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09/14/19 08:22 AM
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CrappieMan
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Yep. Threads like these make me hope I don't hunt around some of the people here. Me too. Yep
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Re: Not trying to offend anyone here but....
[Re: CrappieMan]
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09/14/19 01:26 PM
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GKelly
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Yep. Threads like these make me hope I don't hunt around some of the people here. Me too. Yep people that see panthers are the same ones that shoot at moving bushes and identify targets with their rifle scope. I heard about a guy few years ago that got shot out of a tree because the guy "thought he was a turkey" he has probably seen alot of black panthers too
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