I’ve got a pig of a NV optic(AN-PVS 4) that I’ve used a few times with or without an IR torch. You can still find reliable, quality NV gear for far less than thermal worth buying. I’ve also used a light mounted to my regular scope. Not sure of the make off hand but it looks like the Cyclops VB250 if you want to check that out online. It is hella bright. I do green filter. Gets me out to 150-200 yards if needed but I’m rarely that far out(if I am I’m also suppressed and can get a few sometimes before they even scatter). Illumination with a low setting is handy for the light rig.