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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: Out back]
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11/07/18 08:15 PM
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When I go down,I will take several with me. The problem is that you'll be aiming at police officers just doing their job. This kind of nonsense is totally unconstitutional. This is why we can't find common ground across the isle, we have to become radical to fight the radicals. I don't want to wage war with a police officer who likely feels the same way I do about my rights. I want wage war with the leftist morons who railroad this illegal bullschit through our state legislatures, or city councils, quietly in back room deals What a load of chit. If the officers choose to follow an unconstitutional order, they are just another human being attempting to deny my rights. They are following a treasonous order and should be treated as such.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: AU338MAG]
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11/07/18 08:26 PM
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Out back
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When I go down,I will take several with me. The problem is that you'll be aiming at police officers just doing their job. This kind of nonsense is totally unconstitutional. This is why we can't find common ground across the isle, we have to become radical to fight the radicals. I don't want to wage war with a police officer who likely feels the same way I do about my rights. I want wage war with the leftist morons who railroad this illegal bullschit through our state legislatures, or city councils, quietly in back room deals What a load of chit. If the officers choose to follow an unconstitutional order, they are just another human being attempting to deny my rights. They are following a treasonous order and should be treated as such. I feel pretty sure it wouldn't happen, with any of our local law enforcement, because they would refuse to carry it out. But I feel strongly about it too. And I'm pretty well trained for the occasion, fairly confident that I could mount a formidable resistance. Still, I'm also confident that I would ultimately lose when several well armed deputies show up.
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: Skullworks]
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11/07/18 08:28 PM
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It’s a shitty law, but some of you guys are off the chain talking about killing cops because they are doing their jobs. You’re no better than the scumbag BLM trash who murdered 5 cops in Dallas or the Baton Rouge killer. There’s a way to change laws but killing cops who are enforcing existing law isn’t it.
"I'd rather go down the river with seven studs than with a hundred ****heads" - Colonel Charlie Beckwith Founder Delta Force
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: Skullworks]
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11/07/18 08:33 PM
11/07/18 08:33 PM
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Alabama is already in this boat not from a “Red Flag” law but from PFA statues. If you being a male are accused by a gf or wife irregsrdless of evidence the local sheriff will in most cases come remove all of your firearms as soon as the PFA is signed by DA and served. This can happen without a single act of violence or threat requires only a female to show up and claim to a sympathetic DA that they feel threatened. No due process no court hearing you will just have your second amendment rights violated for the “greater good”.
Sure there are extreme cases where this is needed but in Alabama something like 80% of these are dismissed when you actually get to court 30 or so days later long after your rights are violated.
So for those that say thank goodness you don’t live in Maryland or Cali it can and does happen daily in Alabama.
Life is difficult Science prevails over bulldoodoo and superstition every time
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: Out back]
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11/07/18 08:45 PM
11/07/18 08:45 PM
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R_H_Clark
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When I go down,I will take several with me. The problem is that you'll be aiming at police officers just doing their job. This kind of nonsense is totally unconstitutional. This is why we can't find common ground across the isle, we have to become radical to fight the radicals. I don't want to wage war with a police officer who likely feels the same way I do about my rights. I want wage war with the leftist morons who railroad this illegal bullschit through our state legislatures, or city councils, quietly in back room deals What a load of chit. If the officers choose to follow an unconstitutional order, they are just another human being attempting to deny my rights. They are following a treasonous order and should be treated as such. I feel pretty sure it wouldn't happen, with any of our local law enforcement, because they would refuse to carry it out. But I feel strongly about it too. And I'm pretty well trained for the occasion, fairly confident that I could mount a formidable resistance. Still, I'm also confident that I would ultimately lose when several well armed deputies show up. I have no doubt law enforcement will do exactly what they are told. Yea,loosing situation,unless you know they are coming. Still a loosing situation as no one will have enough ammo to completely fix the problem,but when you start ,you might as well make a good run of it.
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: DeerNutz0U812_]
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11/07/18 08:47 PM
11/07/18 08:47 PM
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Posts: 15,070 ArmPit of the south
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When I go down,I will take several with me. Roll Tide buddy.... RH please refer back to my 6000 post....
Did you know that Beer Nutz are over a Dollar...and Deer Nutz are under a Buck...
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: General]
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11/07/18 08:51 PM
11/07/18 08:51 PM
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It’s a shitty law, but some of you guys are off the chain talking about killing cops because they are doing their jobs. You’re no better than the scumbag BLM trash who murdered 5 cops in Dallas or the Baton Rouge killer. There’s a way to change laws but killing cops who are enforcing existing law isn’t it. How does their boots taste? And do you ever get use to it?
For without victory, there is no survival
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: hallb]
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11/07/18 08:53 PM
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This seems like a baker act type situation. Family asked the police to come and temporarily remove the guns from a mentally unstable man that may have been a danger to himself or others. Not when the man has been denied due process. There was no evidence to mental condition and no judgment of his competence. Only an accusation from an unhappy niece. “Those efforts recently led to Maryland passing a law providing for “extreme risk protective orders,” also known as a “red flag” law. Such laws allow family members, law enforcement and others to seek a court order to temporarily prohibit people’s access to firearms when they show red flags that they are a danger to themselves or others.” Guess this makes me a snowflake, but I’m ok with this. I had a friend that was going through alcohol withdrawals and was having delirium tremmens. He was living with my brother and tried to stab me when I went to help him. Called the cops and when they arrived he told them there wasn’t anything wrong with him and there was nothing they could do. I wish I could’ve got a court order to temporarily remove his fire arms So, some guy tried to stab you but the cops just shrugged it off? Mmmmkay. So did he end up using his guns for something that deserved to have them taken away from him? You calling me a liar? Have you ever had personal experience with delirium tremmens? Yes he was in and out of hallucinations, and they had already been out there a few times cause he had called them out there. They shrugged it off cause I didnt want to press charges, and hadn’t committed a crime. Was he still an extreme danger to himself and others? Absolutely. No he didnt use the gun because I took them from him. But eventually he tried to break into a gas station with a steak knife cause he thought girls invited him to a party there. If he would’ve had his gun he surely would’ve used it. That is when he was finally arrested. It is unconstitutional but I belive there are situations where guns should be removed from certain folks .
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: General]
#2631745
11/07/18 08:54 PM
11/07/18 08:54 PM
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It’s a shitty law, but some of you guys are off the chain talking about killing cops because they are doing their jobs. You’re no better than the scumbag BLM trash who murdered 5 cops in Dallas or the Baton Rouge killer. There’s a way to change laws but killing cops who are enforcing existing law isn’t it. At what point do you fight back? Who do you start with? Let them take your guns, then let them take your kids, then let them tell you who/what/when to worship, then go to work when/where they tell you to and pay you what they want to. Don't speak up against it because that is against the law now too. All because you let them disarm you. You may think I'm crazy idc. It's called a slippery slope for a reason. Reading this article sounds like a scene from North Korea or the Nazi Germany. A family member, coworker, neighbor called to turn you in and the agents of the government came into your home to get your guns (freedom). How is this ok? Because they had a warrant? Because it's just good ole cops feeding their families? What other freedoms are you willing to throw away so your government can give you security?
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: Out back]
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11/07/18 08:59 PM
11/07/18 08:59 PM
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Posts: 19,197 North AL
AU338MAG
Old Mossy Horns
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When I go down,I will take several with me. The problem is that you'll be aiming at police officers just doing their job. This kind of nonsense is totally unconstitutional. This is why we can't find common ground across the isle, we have to become radical to fight the radicals. I don't want to wage war with a police officer who likely feels the same way I do about my rights. I want wage war with the leftist morons who railroad this illegal bullschit through our state legislatures, or city councils, quietly in back room deals What a load of chit. If the officers choose to follow an unconstitutional order, they are just another human being attempting to deny my rights. They are following a treasonous order and should be treated as such. I feel pretty sure it wouldn't happen, with any of our local law enforcement, because they would refuse to carry it out. But I feel strongly about it too. And I'm pretty well trained for the occasion, fairly confident that I could mount a formidable resistance. Still, I'm also confident that I would ultimately lose when several well armed deputies show up. I have no doubt I would lose, and it probably wouldn't be a long fire fight. Still, I believe that if this country is ever going to get off this socialist track to hell we are currently on, many lives will be lost.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
Molon Labe
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: Powpow65]
#2631757
11/07/18 09:09 PM
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It’s a shitty law, but some of you guys are off the chain talking about killing cops because they are doing their jobs. You’re no better than the scumbag BLM trash who murdered 5 cops in Dallas or the Baton Rouge killer. There’s a way to change laws but killing cops who are enforcing existing law isn’t it. At what point do you fight back? Who do you start with? Let them take your guns, then let them take your kids, then let them tell you who/what/when to worship, then go to work when/where they tell you to and pay you what they want to. Don't speak up against it because that is against the law now too. All because you let them disarm you. You may think I'm crazy idc. It's called a slippery slope for a reason. Reading this article sounds like a scene from North Korea or the Nazi Germany. A family member, coworker, neighbor called to turn you in and the agents of the government came into your home to get your guns (freedom). How is this ok? Because they had a warrant? Because it's just good ole cops feeding their families? What other freedoms are you willing to throw away so your government can give you security? Do you really think this is the master plan, to wait until enough “red flags” are issued to unlawfully disarm the country?
"I'd rather go down the river with seven studs than with a hundred ****heads" - Colonel Charlie Beckwith Founder Delta Force
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: General]
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11/07/18 09:12 PM
11/07/18 09:12 PM
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It’s a shitty law, but some of you guys are off the chain talking about killing cops because they are doing their jobs. You’re no better than the scumbag BLM trash who murdered 5 cops in Dallas or the Baton Rouge killer. There’s a way to change laws but killing cops who are enforcing existing law isn’t it. You should build a time machine back to 1775 to let our founders know they are about to F up. at some point you have to resist im not advocating what this guy did but you gotta start at the bottom of the ladder the top is too hard to reach.
Last edited by GKelly; 11/07/18 09:20 PM.
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: Shotts]
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11/07/18 09:15 PM
11/07/18 09:15 PM
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Reyn
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Alabama is already in this boat not from a “Red Flag” law but from PFA statues. If you being a male are accused by a gf or wife irregsrdless of evidence the local sheriff will in most cases come remove all of your firearms as soon as the PFA is signed by DA and served. This can happen without a single act of violence or threat requires only a female to show up and claim to a sympathetic DA that they feel threatened. No due process no court hearing you will just have your second amendment rights violated for the “greater good”.
Sure there are extreme cases where this is needed but in Alabama something like 80% of these are dismissed when you actually get to court 30 or so days later long after your rights are violated.
So for those that say thank goodness you don’t live in Maryland or Cali it can and does happen daily in Alabama.
Deputies here (this county) won’t take firearms. The PFA may instruct them to surrender them but they will not go in a home without a search warrant. A PFA does not authorize to search a residence.
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: General]
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11/07/18 09:16 PM
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It’s a shitty law, but some of you guys are off the chain talking about killing cops because they are doing their jobs. You’re no better than the scumbag BLM trash who murdered 5 cops in Dallas or the Baton Rouge killer. There’s a way to change laws but killing cops who are enforcing existing law isn’t it. At what point do you fight back? Who do you start with? Let them take your guns, then let them take your kids, then let them tell you who/what/when to worship, then go to work when/where they tell you to and pay you what they want to. Don't speak up against it because that is against the law now too. All because you let them disarm you. You may think I'm crazy idc. It's called a slippery slope for a reason. Reading this article sounds like a scene from North Korea or the Nazi Germany. A family member, coworker, neighbor called to turn you in and the agents of the government came into your home to get your guns (freedom). How is this ok? Because they had a warrant? Because it's just good ole cops feeding their families? What other freedoms are you willing to throw away so your government can give you security? Do you really think this is the master plan, to wait until enough “red flags” are issued to unlawfully disarm the country? yes eventually not by red flags but they will use examples like this to say "look we were right lets pass some more laws to protect you from yourselves" we will be disarmed slowly generation by generation because they know they cant just go all in theyll just keep testing the waters until the time is right.
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: goodman_hunter]
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11/07/18 09:18 PM
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It’s a shitty law, but some of you guys are off the chain talking about killing cops because they are doing their jobs. You’re no better than the scumbag BLM trash who murdered 5 cops in Dallas or the Baton Rouge killer. There’s a way to change laws but killing cops who are enforcing existing law isn’t it. How does their boots taste? And do you ever get use to it? I wouldn’t know, by some miracle I’ve managed to live most of my life without getting in a shootout with the police over a law I didn’t agree with. Do you believe the second amendment applies to every U.S. citizen without restriction?
"I'd rather go down the river with seven studs than with a hundred ****heads" - Colonel Charlie Beckwith Founder Delta Force
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: General]
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11/07/18 09:30 PM
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It’s a shitty law, but some of you guys are off the chain talking about killing cops because they are doing their jobs. You’re no better than the scumbag BLM trash who murdered 5 cops in Dallas or the Baton Rouge killer. There’s a way to change laws but killing cops who are enforcing existing law isn’t it. How does their boots taste? And do you ever get use to it? I wouldn’t know, by some miracle I’ve managed to live most of my life without getting in a shootout with the police over a law I didn’t agree with. Do you believe the second amendment applies to every U.S. citizen without restriction? Think about what you just asked but replace 2nd amendment with 1st or 4th or which ever amendment you want. It's the same question. Do you not think all citizens have the same freedoms?
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: General]
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11/07/18 09:31 PM
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It’s a shitty law, but some of you guys are off the chain talking about killing cops because they are doing their jobs. You’re no better than the scumbag BLM trash who murdered 5 cops in Dallas or the Baton Rouge killer. There’s a way to change laws but killing cops who are enforcing existing law isn’t it. You are wrong.
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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law
[Re: jlbuc10]
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11/07/18 09:48 PM
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Guess this makes me a snowflake, but I’m ok with this. I had a friend that was going through alcohol withdrawals and was having delirium tremmens. He was living with my brother and tried to stab me when I went to help him. Called the cops and when they arrived he told them there wasn’t anything wrong with him and there was nothing they could do. I wish I could’ve got a court order to temporarily remove his fire arms [/quote]
So, some guy tried to stab you but the cops just shrugged it off? Mmmmkay. So did he end up using his guns for something that deserved to have them taken away from him?
[/quote] jilbuc10 You calling me a liar? Have you ever had personal experience with delirium tremmens? Yes he was in and out of hallucinations, and they had already been out there a few times cause he had called them out there. They shrugged it off cause I didnt want to press charges, and hadn’t committed a crime. Was he still an extreme danger to himself and others? Absolutely. No he didnt use the gun because I took them from him. But eventually he tried to break into a gas station with a steak knife cause he thought girls invited him to a party there. If he would’ve had his gun he surely would’ve used it. That is when he was finally arrested. It is unconstitutional but I belive there are situations where guns should be removed from certain folks . [/quote]
You should have pressed charges, then he could have had his due process and guns removed if needed.
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