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Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law #2631416
11/07/18 03:18 PM
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That slippery slope we always talk about!!!!!!!

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2...qtQTrR4klbL1viUyAdLMdpFTvSVQm2KwEtk4J2xM

"Maryland Man Shot and Killed by Police While Serving a Gun Violence Restraining Order

by Dan Zimmerman |

Nov 05, 2018 |

Gun Violence Restraining Order Police Shoot Gun Owner

courtesy Baltimore Sun

We’ve been saying this was going to happen since the first “gun violence restraining order” or “red flag” law went into effect in California. It was just a matter of time. Two Maryland police officers were attempting to enforce a red flag order and confiscate the guns of a 60-year-old Anne Arundel County man who didn’t want to turn over his firearms.

As the Baltimore Sun reports, two officers knocked on a gun owner’s door bright and early this morning . . .

Two Anne Arundel County police officers serving one of Maryland’s new “red flag” protective orders to remove guns from a house killed a Ferndale man after he refused to give up his gun and a struggle ensued early Monday morning, police said.

The subject of the protective order, Gary J. Willis, 60, answered his door in the 100 block of Linwood Ave. at 5:17 a.m. with a gun in his hand, Anne Arundel County Police said. He initially put it down next to the door, but “became irate” when officers began to serve him with the order, opened the door and picked up the gun again, police said.

That’s when a struggle ensued over the gun.

One of the officers struggled to take the gun from Willis, and during the struggle, the gun fired but did not strike anyone, police said. At that point, the other officer fatally shot Willis, police said. Neither officer was injured, police said.

The order was apparently issued following a family dispute.

Police had come to the house Sunday night to speak with Willis, a longtime resident of the neighborhood, said Michele Willis, who was on the scene Monday morning and identified herself as his niece. She attributed that visit by police to “family being family” but declined to elaborate.

She said one of her aunts requested the protective order to temporarily remove his guns.

Gun control advocates have pushed for these laws in states all across the country over the last few years as a way to get firearms out of the hands of those who friends or family members claim shouldn’t have access to them. The problem is that none of these laws have adequate due process protections for the targets of the confiscation orders. They’re enforced first and then the burden is on the gun owner to prove why he or she should have their firearms returned.

Mr. Willis won’t be the last gun owner to object to a knock on the door by police officers attempting to confiscate his firearms, no matter what the circumstances behind the order.


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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law [Re: Skullworks] #2631586
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When I go down,I will take several with me.

Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law [Re: R_H_Clark] #2631606
11/07/18 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
When I go down,I will take several with me.

The problem is that you'll be aiming at police officers just doing their job.
This kind of nonsense is totally unconstitutional. This is why we can't find common ground across the isle, we have to become radical to fight the radicals. I don't want to wage war with a police officer who likely feels the same way I do about my rights. I want wage war with the leftist morons who railroad this illegal bullschit through our state legislatures, or city councils, quietly in back room deals


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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law [Re: R_H_Clark] #2631607
11/07/18 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
When I go down,I will take several with me.
Roll Tide buddy.... beers


Did you know that Beer Nutz are over a Dollar...and Deer Nutz are under a Buck...


Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law [Re: Out back] #2631612
11/07/18 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Out back
Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
When I go down,I will take several with me.

The problem is that you'll be aiming at police officers just doing their job.
This kind of nonsense is totally unconstitutional. This is why we can't find common ground across the isle, we have to become radical to fight the radicals. I don't want to wage war with a police officer who likely feels the same way I do about my rights. I want wage war with the leftist morons who railroad this illegal bullschit through our state legislatures, or city councils, quietly in back room deals


Those police officers should refuse to carry out their orders when they are unconstitutional.

Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law [Re: hallb] #2631614
11/07/18 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by hallb
Originally Posted by Out back
Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
When I go down,I will take several with me.

The problem is that you'll be aiming at police officers just doing their job.
This kind of nonsense is totally unconstitutional. This is why we can't find common ground across the isle, we have to become radical to fight the radicals. I don't want to wage war with a police officer who likely feels the same way I do about my rights. I want wage war with the leftist morons who railroad this illegal bullschit through our state legislatures, or city councils, quietly in back room deals


Those police officers should refuse to carry out their orders when they are unconstitutional.


Not gonna happen when they have mouths to feed and mortgages/rent every month.

Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law [Re: Skullworks] #2631616
11/07/18 06:36 PM
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This seems like a baker act type situation. Family asked the police to come and temporarily remove the guns from a mentally unstable man that may have been a danger to himself or others.

Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law [Re: kodiak06] #2631618
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Originally Posted by kodiak06
Originally Posted by hallb
Originally Posted by Out back
Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
When I go down,I will take several with me.

The problem is that you'll be aiming at police officers just doing their job.
This kind of nonsense is totally unconstitutional. This is why we can't find common ground across the isle, we have to become radical to fight the radicals. I don't want to wage war with a police officer who likely feels the same way I do about my rights. I want wage war with the leftist morons who railroad this illegal bullschit through our state legislatures, or city councils, quietly in back room deals


Those police officers should refuse to carry out their orders when they are unconstitutional.


Not gonna happen when they have mouths to feed and mortgages/rent every month.


True everyone uses this excuse, And it's also the reason nothing will ever change


Do not regret growing older, it's a privilege denied to many!

Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law [Re: jlbuc10] #2631620
11/07/18 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jlbuc10
This seems like a baker act type situation. Family asked the police to come and temporarily remove the guns from a mentally unstable man that may have been a danger to himself or others.

Not when the man has been denied due process. There was no evidence to mental condition and no judgment of his competence. Only an accusation from an unhappy niece.


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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law [Re: Out back] #2631621
11/07/18 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Out back
Originally Posted by jlbuc10
This seems like a baker act type situation. Family asked the police to come and temporarily remove the guns from a mentally unstable man that may have been a danger to himself or others.

Not when the man has been denied due process. There was no evidence to mental condition and no judgment of his competence. Only an accusation from an unhappy niece.


Yep....Guess i better change my Avatar eek


Do not regret growing older, it's a privilege denied to many!

Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law [Re: Skullworks] #2631632
11/07/18 06:58 PM
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All I know to suggest is don’t live in a chithole state like Maryland.


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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law [Re: Skullworks] #2631643
11/07/18 07:19 PM
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To bad he didn't make them earn it. Even though the tyrants were just doing there job, by breaking an oath and violating the Constitution. Gotta get home safe, even if you gotta put down some innocent civilians in their own home. I hope the guys sister has a miserable rest of her life.


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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law [Re: Out back] #2631647
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Originally Posted by Out back
Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
When I go down,I will take several with me.

The problem is that you'll be aiming at police officers just doing their job.
This kind of nonsense is totally unconstitutional. This is why we can't find common ground across the isle, we have to become radical to fight the radicals. I don't want to wage war with a police officer who likely feels the same way I do about my rights. I want wage war with the leftist morons who railroad this illegal bullschit through our state legislatures, or city councils, quietly in back room deals


Yea, that's what the Nazis said,but you got to start somewhere.

Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law [Re: Out back] #2631659
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Originally Posted by Out back
Originally Posted by jlbuc10
This seems like a baker act type situation. Family asked the police to come and temporarily remove the guns from a mentally unstable man that may have been a danger to himself or others.

Not when the man has been denied due process. There was no evidence to mental condition and no judgment of his competence. Only an accusation from an unhappy niece.

“Those efforts recently led to Maryland passing a law providing for “extreme risk protective orders,” also known as a “red flag” law. Such laws allow family members, law enforcement and others to seek a court order to temporarily prohibit people’s access to firearms when they show red flags that they are a danger to themselves or others.”

Guess this makes me a snowflake, but I’m ok with this. I had a friend that was going through alcohol withdrawals and was having delirium tremmens. He was living with my brother and tried to stab me when I went to help him. Called the cops and when they arrived he told them there wasn’t anything wrong with him and there was nothing they could do. I wish I could’ve got a court order to temporarily remove his fire arms

Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law [Re: jlbuc10] #2631663
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Originally Posted by jlbuc10
Originally Posted by Out back
Originally Posted by jlbuc10
This seems like a baker act type situation. Family asked the police to come and temporarily remove the guns from a mentally unstable man that may have been a danger to himself or others.

Not when the man has been denied due process. There was no evidence to mental condition and no judgment of his competence. Only an accusation from an unhappy niece.

“Those efforts recently led to Maryland passing a law providing for “extreme risk protective orders,” also known as a “red flag” law. Such laws allow family members, law enforcement and others to seek a court order to temporarily prohibit people’s access to firearms when they show red flags that they are a danger to themselves or others.”

Guess this makes me a snowflake, but I’m ok with this. I had a friend that was going through alcohol withdrawals and was having delirium tremmens. He was living with my brother and tried to stab me when I went to help him. Called the cops and when they arrived he told them there wasn’t anything wrong with him and there was nothing they could do. I wish I could’ve got a court order to temporarily remove his fire arms

I wouldn't say it makes you a snowflake but what you're advocating certainly would be illegal. If this guy was living in your brother's house then the obvious recourse would be to put him out of the house, or press charges for assault. But taking his personal belongings is theft.


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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law [Re: jlbuc10] #2631672
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Originally Posted by jlbuc10
Originally Posted by Out back
Originally Posted by jlbuc10
This seems like a baker act type situation. Family asked the police to come and temporarily remove the guns from a mentally unstable man that may have been a danger to himself or others.

Not when the man has been denied due process. There was no evidence to mental condition and no judgment of his competence. Only an accusation from an unhappy niece.

“Those efforts recently led to Maryland passing a law providing for “extreme risk protective orders,” also known as a “red flag” law. Such laws allow family members, law enforcement and others to seek a court order to temporarily prohibit people’s access to firearms when they show red flags that they are a danger to themselves or others.”

Guess this makes me a snowflake, but I’m ok with this. I had a friend that was going through alcohol withdrawals and was having delirium tremmens. He was living with my brother and tried to stab me when I went to help him. Called the cops and when they arrived he told them there wasn’t anything wrong with him and there was nothing they could do. I wish I could’ve got a court order to temporarily remove his fire arms

So you'd be ok with the cops coming out and shooting him? If someone breaks the law, sure. But if your MIL or Dem sister or ex wife says you are dangerous. Your ok with them coming and taking your guns?


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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law [Re: jlbuc10] #2631674
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Originally Posted by jlbuc10
Originally Posted by Out back
Originally Posted by jlbuc10
This seems like a baker act type situation. Family asked the police to come and temporarily remove the guns from a mentally unstable man that may have been a danger to himself or others.

Not when the man has been denied due process. There was no evidence to mental condition and no judgment of his competence. Only an accusation from an unhappy niece.

“Those efforts recently led to Maryland passing a law providing for “extreme risk protective orders,” also known as a “red flag” law. Such laws allow family members, law enforcement and others to seek a court order to temporarily prohibit people’s access to firearms when they show red flags that they are a danger to themselves or others.”

Guess this makes me a snowflake, but I’m ok with this. I had a friend that was going through alcohol withdrawals and was having delirium tremmens. He was living with my brother and tried to stab me when I went to help him. Called the cops and when they arrived he told them there wasn’t anything wrong with him and there was nothing they could do. I wish I could’ve got a court order to temporarily remove his fire arms


So, some guy tried to stab you but the cops just shrugged it off? Mmmmkay. So did he end up using his guns for something that deserved to have them taken away from him?

Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law [Re: Skullworks] #2631678
11/07/18 07:59 PM
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So your ok with nontrained folks making mental health decisions for you? That what be a NO for me.


Skinny is my EX.Alcohol was involved.
Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law [Re: Skullworks] #2631684
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Here in La the only way we take a weapon is if it was used in a crime. If the family is concerned about the safety of a family member it's up to them to remove the weapons. If a subject threatens to harm themselves we remove subject and get medical or psychiatric help. Was ask the family to remove weapons but we do not remove them for the family. Also I will be unemployed if ever ordered to remove someone's weapons if no crime has been committed with said weapon.


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Re: Man Killed by Police following Red Flag law [Re: Skullworks] #2631687
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2nd amendment says "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." IMO any law restricting firearms is unconstitutional.

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