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Re: Alabama Extended Deer Season Committee Report December 2011
[Re: Gotcha1]
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01/04/12 04:13 PM
01/04/12 04:13 PM
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Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 8,363 Montgomery
WmHunter
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The reports of conception dates confirm what we already knew: from Montgomery south the bulk of breeding takes place the last week of January and the first week of February. So hunters in those regions only have the opportunity to hunt the first few days of the rut, unlike those in the northern half of the State.
Starting the season one week later and ending one week later in the Southern half would be no difficulty for anyone.
The report also confirms what I have stated in the past: the rut is genetic based photoperiodism and that is based on where the deer came from when restocking was done. Most of the Southern half of the State have deer restocked from southwestern Alabama which breed later than any other whitetail in North America - unfortunately.
The report is just a political whitewash courtesy of the folks who just are too lazy or too sorry to make positive change. They just don't want to get off their buns and do anything. There is nothing contained in the report to justify the conclusion, it is just the say "no" mentality masquerading as a "report". No suprise. That is the nature of beauracracy.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter
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Re: Alabama Extended Deer Season Committee Report December 2011
[Re: Toolmaster]
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01/04/12 04:47 PM
01/04/12 04:47 PM
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Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 7,583 Moss Creek
Gotcha1
Bright Eyes
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Bright Eyes
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I guess I'm confused on the Montgomery line deal. The other counties with late breeding must have to suck hind tit.
Matt Brock wears knock-off Crocs.
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Re: Alabama Extended Deer Season Committee Report December 2011
[Re: Toolmaster]
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01/04/12 05:20 PM
01/04/12 05:20 PM
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Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 7,583 Moss Creek
Gotcha1
Bright Eyes
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Bright Eyes
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And this ties you on number of posts WmHunter.
Matt Brock wears knock-off Crocs.
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Re: Alabama Extended Deer Season Committee Report December 2011
[Re: truedouble]
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01/05/12 11:26 PM
01/05/12 11:26 PM
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Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 30,910 Clanton, AL
Out back
Grumpy Old Man
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Close the season during the first two weeks in December and extend one week in to Feb. Everyone would be happy. I wouldn't.
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Re: Alabama Extended Deer Season Committee Report December 2011
[Re: Out back]
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01/06/12 05:08 PM
01/06/12 05:08 PM
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Posts: 5,227 South Alabama
gobbler
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12 point
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South Alabama
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Close the season during the first two weeks in December and extend one week in to Feb. Everyone would be happy. I wouldn't. Me neither
I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine
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Re: Alabama Extended Deer Season Committee Report December 2011
[Re: Baybuzzard]
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01/06/12 05:54 PM
01/06/12 05:54 PM
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Posts: 4,169 Florence, Al
AlabamaSwamper
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I say if you can't kill a deer from Oct 15 til Jan 31 then 15 days in February isn't gonna help you. LOL..... never fails somebody is going to post this ^^^^^ Sorry, couldn't resist it.
BTR Scorer in NW Alabama
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Re: Alabama Extended Deer Season Committee Report December 2011
[Re: 49er]
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01/06/12 07:40 PM
01/06/12 07:40 PM
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Posts: 21,811 USA
Remington270
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If I collected one pregnant doe in March on our lease in Tuscaloosa County and found that the doe was pregnant, would anyone believe me if I proclaimed that the "average" conception date in that area was in March?
How about if I got the Commissioner of the DCNR to put his name on it? Would you believe it then?
I counted 17 collection sites in the Appendix of this report where the "average conception date" was calculated using 5 deer or less. Six of the sites show an "average" conception date that was calculated using only 1 deer. Good point. I think they should study up on "statistical significance". If I flip a coin and it lands on heads 8/10 times, that doesn't make it an 80% chance of heads over time...
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Re: Alabama Extended Deer Season Committee Report December 2011
[Re: 49er]
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01/06/12 08:28 PM
01/06/12 08:28 PM
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Posts: 599 Daphne AL
Baybuzzard
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If I collected one pregnant doe in March on our lease in Tuscaloosa County and found that the doe was pregnant, would anyone believe me if I proclaimed that the "average" conception date in that area was in March?
How about if I got the Commissioner of the DCNR to put his name on it? Would you believe it then?
I counted 17 collection sites in the Appendix of this report where the "average conception date" was calculated using 5 deer or less. Six of the sites show an "average" conception date that was calculated using only 1 deer. Take a look at Monroe County. 6 deer sampled and the average conception date is March 4. What happened here? ..... Everybody late to the party? Take just one or two does that concieved far outside the norm (say in November, or April) and it can throw the average conception date out of whack unless you have a large sample number. That is probably why they want to continue their sampling for several more years to obtain enough samples for it to better average out. One other thing, I seem to recall reading somewhere that when the biologists take their samples, the fetus must measure a certain length, and if not, are discarded from the data sets. If this is true, then is it possible they are discarding data that would shift the average conception to a later date? Maybe somebody can answer this?
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