I didn’t see a punch in the video at all and I watched it 4 times. He open hand slapped her on the shoulder twice but I dint see a closed fist punch.
I don’t believe for a second a girls that size would have stayed on her feet from a punch from him much less 2 and punch would have damn sure left a bruise
Re: Disipline overboard on Fox
[Re: oakachoy]
#2482264 05/12/1803:54 PM05/12/1803:54 PM
Doekiller says "That isn’t discipline, that is abuse. " That is exactly right. While we always want straight , clearcut answers, in the answer to the question abuse or discipline, there is no clear cut line. When it gets towards the middle the line becomes very blurry sometimes. In this case though, I don't think the line is blurry. Striking about the head is out of line.
Another thing too is that when kids reach a certain age, and again there is no clear line, they respond to punishment like adults and no longer like children. Would you find it an effective punishment if you came into work late and the boss gave you a few smacks across the head?
This was out of line and shows that his officer has problems that will manifest themselves on the job in a very bad way. Time for Miami-Dade to cut their losses and encourage this man to find another career path.
As to the idea that this girl was a POS and deserved what she got, that may be true but she didn't turn into a POS overnight. Two things I hated to hear were "I know they were bad but I couldn't spank them because you would come and arrest me for abuse." and "I'm going to let y'all deal with them, I tried to talk with him but he just won't listen to me". The line I said more than any other in my Youth-Aid days was probably "This is a parenting problem not a police problem".
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
Re: Disipline overboard on Fox
[Re: oakachoy]
#2482266 05/12/1804:06 PM05/12/1804:06 PM
The video won't play on my phone, so I haven't seen it. But, from reading the article, and the comments here, he is supposed to be the adult. Not just any adult, but an adult that has been trained to deal with stressful situations and disrespectful people. Unless he is being physically attacked he has no right to act like what I've read. Even then, his training should give him the ability to restrain her.
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Re: Disipline overboard on Fox
[Re: oakachoy]
#2482273 05/12/1804:14 PM05/12/1804:14 PM
For you guys that thinks it's alright to grab your daughter by the hair and jerk her around and than slap/punch them in the face is really PHUCKED UP in the head. I don't care what a child does you do not hit them in the face. Especially a young lady. Now if a boy want to bow up and act like a man, I will put him on his ass before he can blink his eyes but will not hit them in the face. If it takes hitting our daughters in the face to be a man, I guess I will never be one. It scares me to think what I would do if I saw someone doing this to a child. I know I would definitely be unemployed, in jail, or dead. It's just sickening to think some people thinks this is ok.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
Re: Disipline overboard on Fox
[Re: oakachoy]
#2482275 05/12/1804:16 PM05/12/1804:16 PM
My brothers and I got beatings like that ,,,, never got a beating for the same infraction though,,, was always something new we did wrong to get a beating,, some times I got the beating for what they did wrong because I was left in charge.
I'd sure like to know the full story ,,,,we never get the full story until later on,,, Miami ,,, in my opinion,,, for that dad to whoop that ass like that ,,,she must have really showed her ass,,, I bet he figured if he was going to get fired it was going to be a whooping worth getting fired over.
I tell my nephews sometimes when they get on my nerves to quit testing me and feeling froggy,, cause when I do go off on them the ass whooping will be worth the trip to jail.
Re: Disipline overboard on Fox
[Re: James]
#2482281 05/12/1804:27 PM05/12/1804:27 PM
Last sentence in video , daughter did NOT sustain any visible injuries or bruises .
Video starts well before anybody knows what the daughter might have did or said - maybe told dad f-you , maybe tried to physically stand up to him while being totally derespectful . Start the video from the time he entered the room - then I'll decide if he's a bad dad .
I've seen lots of brats who get way too big for their pants - maybe this dad had had enough of her and was showing her who's in charge .
About 25 years ago I was in a store - Big Bear - happened onto my Aunt trying to discipline my 14-15 yr. old cousin Debra . Debra thought she was grown and wasn't going to be told what to do anymore . I just happened to be there when it all came to a head . I heard Debra screaming at her Mom - her Mom trying to quiet her down - grabbed her arm Debra swung her arm really hard hitting her Mom in the face - my Aunt full-on mopped the floor with her butt and face , held her down and smacked her in the face several times telling her you aren't going to fight me . Plenty of hair pulling and smacks to the face and head . Guess what - Debra learned to shut her mouth and learned that her Mother was her Mother .
Debra was an atheletic girl - set the high jump record at her school , to handle her her Mother had to get real rough to show her who's boss .
Moms, aunts fighting with daughters is one thing, We're talking about a man here (and a trained cop to boot) I'm willing to bet the mom gets the same treatment as the daughter, but maybe he "needs to show her" who's in charge also...Oh and weren't you also an officer in Florida?
No not a cop .
Think about the '' NO VISIBLE INJURIES OR BRUISES '' for a couple of seconds , I've never seen someone get '' punched '' and have no visible injury or bruise .
People constantly [ and rightly so ] complaining about fake news and calling schools brainwashing centers - indoctrination centers [ and rightly so ] liberal teachers turning out kids with lower and lower IQ's each year . The girl never got punched and what brought on the roughing her up a bit we don't know . Like I said show the video from beginning to end then I'll decide what I think of the dad .
I agree with Hoggin far too much talking to kids these days - parents saying oh -- , you have to know when to pick your battles . BS love your kids teach them to respect adults and authority - break the rules and I'll take it as far as need be for the daughter/son to act right .
My granddaddy told us often that a man would never hit a lady, but you might one day have to knock a bitch to her knees
The difference is a lady will never put herself in that position. My granddaddy never hit a woman in his life and the few times I have was to get some dope crazed crackhead bitch off of me or someone I worked with, he just wanted us to know there’s a difference I guess
Re: Disipline overboard on Fox
[Re: jawbone]
#2482291 05/12/1804:41 PM05/12/1804:41 PM
Two things I hated to hear were "I know they were bad but I couldn't spank them because you would come and arrest me for abuse." and "I'm going to let y'all deal with them, I tried to talk with him but he just won't listen to me". The line I said more than any other in my Youth-Aid days was probably "This is a parenting problem not a police problem". [/quote]
Back in the day on those calls I’d take my belt off and give a 3 part block of instruction on the proper use of one, that wouldn’t fly anymore either but probably half the 30 something yo’s In Ensley have had me take a belt to their hide. Never got the first complaint about it.
Last edited by hoggin; 05/12/1804:41 PM.
Re: Disipline overboard on Fox
[Re: oakachoy]
#2482293 05/12/1804:43 PM05/12/1804:43 PM
Not saying I agree with what he did - we just don't know if this stuff is ongoing etc. . I wouldn't have grabbed her hair or did anything the dad did and I don't condone it , but some kids can push people past their limits .
My cousin Debra I spoke of was one of the loudmouth/smartmouth young teens who should have got what she got 3-4 years before she got it .
Play some Skynyrd man !
Re: Disipline overboard on Fox
[Re: oakachoy]
#2482309 05/12/1805:13 PM05/12/1805:13 PM
I'm sorry, not sure how anyone would have see any more of that to know that it's not out of line. If I would have been sitting there I may look like I'm pregnant, but I would have been up and on that dude.
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Re: Disipline overboard on Fox
[Re: James]
#2482497 05/12/1810:57 PM05/12/1810:57 PM
If she wasn’t bleeding or bruised was it really all that. My 27yo at 13 was 6’5 290 and decided since he was a little taller than me my words didn’t matter much. I can assure you what happened that night by today’s standards, I would go to jail for felony abuse.
He hasn’t raised his voice to me in just over 14 years.
Kids have been let go so far by society today I meet teenagers often that I’d like to beat the living hell out of.
I got the hell beat outta me as a kid when I needed it, my granddaddy would put a 10 inch punch on me at the drop of a hat and I deserved every single one I got. Nothing short got my attention in the slightest.
To many folks willing to judge without knowledge and to many kids not getting that ass tore up enough because it’s no longer acceptable. I say BS. No blood or bruises it’s his kid, if it straightens her out and gets her on track it worked.
Punishment should fit the crime.
To many parents nowadays would say the teacher didn’t deserve the respect or the kid didn’t mean it or not my baby why did you make her act like that.
Start whipping more of then and watch this country get itself back on track
I still put a letter on file at the schools every year giving permission to beat my boys ass with a 2x6 if they need it, no need to call before or after, just do it and I’ll givem another when they get home
And you're talking about a Father n Son. A man that will hit his daughter with his fist ain't a Man or a good Father in my book period! Ya'll can spin it how ya want....
I'm with James on this one. Big man...
Re: Disipline overboard on Fox
[Re: oakachoy]
#2482522 05/13/1801:44 AM05/13/1801:44 AM
Whippings past like 12-14 yr old don't do a lick of good (pun not intended). At that age everyone in the world can tell if you did a poor job of raising your youngins, and we know good and well you're just beating because you're pissed you sucked as a parent.
Re: Disipline overboard on Fox
[Re: gcr0003]
#2482574 05/13/1807:58 AM05/13/1807:58 AM
Whippings past like 12-14 yr old don't do a lick of good (pun not intended). At that age everyone in the world can tell if you did a poor job of raising your youngins, and we know good and well you're just beating because you're pissed you sucked as a parent.
That’s bullshit
I have personally watched kids with absolutely too quality parents take a wrong turn in a very short time Because they get with the wrong boy or girl usually
I’ve also seen first class kids with some of the worst parents in the world, I went to live with my grandparents at 10 because I didn’t think my parents were on the right track.
I know a few people that turned out way better or worse than their parents raised them.
Of all my kids I’ve never had to get aggressive with but 1, none of them have ever been really disrespectful other than normal kid mouth or ever been in trouble. I think with a few it’s because they know it would disappoint us a few just because they are pretty sure I’d kill them and with 1 I think it’s just because he thinks it would be a waste of his time to bother with us. All raised the same way but people are different
Re: Disipline overboard on Fox
[Re: oakachoy]
#2482580 05/13/1808:10 AM05/13/1808:10 AM
There is never an excuse good enough to justify hitting a child with your fist, most especially a girl.
I bowed up to my dad as a teenager. He didn't punch me, but he did throw me onto the floor, sit on my back and wrap my arm up around my head. I'd had enough and never crossed that line again.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14