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Re: Sykes is Frustrated - BooHoo!
[Re: Out back]
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04/23/18 05:33 PM
04/23/18 05:33 PM
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Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 10,363 Alabama
whack-n-stack
Booner
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Booner
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Posts: 10,363
Alabama
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I wish I was poor enough to hunt all over the country for 20 years. It’s not quite as poor as the Clintons struggling to pay mortgage(s) but nonetheless, poor.
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Re: Sykes is Frustrated - BooHoo!
[Re: bigt]
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04/23/18 07:00 PM
04/23/18 07:00 PM
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Posts: 7,780 central ala,
centralala
14 point
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Posts: 7,780
central ala,
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I personally hope they enforce GC to the full extent that they can and that they start setting bag limits according to the actual data they receive from it. Why? He has threatened reducing the limit if people don't report. Isn't that exactly what you want for your area?
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Re: Sykes is Frustrated - BooHoo!
[Re: centralala]
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04/23/18 07:09 PM
04/23/18 07:09 PM
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Posts: 8,377 Gulfcrest
bigt
14 point
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14 point
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Gulfcrest
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I personally hope they enforce GC to the full extent that they can and that they start setting bag limits according to the actual data they receive from it. Why? He has threatened reducing the limit if people don't report. Isn't that exactly what you want for your area? I do believe lower bag limits on does are needed, but I doubt this will actually happen until they actually get a better percentage of participation so they don’t keep guesstimating to make it look like our deer population is still in good shape across the whole State.
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Re: Sykes is Frustrated - BooHoo!
[Re: bigt]
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04/23/18 07:16 PM
04/23/18 07:16 PM
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Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 7,780 central ala,
centralala
14 point
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14 point
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I personally hope they enforce GC to the full extent that they can and that they start setting bag limits according to the actual data they receive from it. Why? He has threatened reducing the limit if people don't report. Isn't that exactly what you want for your area? I do believe lower bag limits on does are needed, but I doubt this will actually happen until they actually get a better percentage of participation so they don’t keep guesstimating to make it look like our deer population is still in good shape across the whole State. What? You don't believe Sykes will change the limits to punish us...In reality giving SOME hunters what they have asked for for years?? Why would he say such a thing?
Last edited by centralala; 04/23/18 07:16 PM.
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Re: Sykes is Frustrated - BooHoo!
[Re: Kelly_123]
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04/23/18 07:55 PM
04/23/18 07:55 PM
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Posts: 991 McCalla
click-boom
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I’m all for limiting the doe harvest. If the buck limit is lowered and the season gets shortened he won’t be around long. When the timber companies and large land owners can’t get people to lease land because a lot of people will decide it’s not worth the money anymore. When you start messing with the money it will cause some major problems.
kill em all let God sort em out
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Re: Sykes is Frustrated - BooHoo!
[Re: centralala]
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04/23/18 08:09 PM
04/23/18 08:09 PM
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Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 8,377 Gulfcrest
bigt
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14 point
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I personally hope they enforce GC to the full extent that they can and that they start setting bag limits according to the actual data they receive from it. Why? He has threatened reducing the limit if people don't report. Isn't that exactly what you want for your area? I do believe lower bag limits on does are needed, but I doubt this will actually happen until they actually get a better percentage of participation so they don’t keep guesstimating to make it look like our deer population is still in good shape across the whole State. What? You don't believe Sykes will change the limits to punish us...In reality giving SOME hunters what they have asked for for years?? Why would he say such a thing? I don’t believe Sykes has the power or clout to change the limits to “punish” us.
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Re: Sykes is Frustrated - BooHoo!
[Re: Kelly_123]
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04/23/18 08:26 PM
04/23/18 08:26 PM
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Reloader79
Bitch Peas, I'm a Kitty Whisperer
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Bitch Peas, I'm a Kitty Whisperer
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Outlaws will be outlaws and kill whatever they want whenever they want night or day. Been going on for years and no game checks laws are not going to stop it. Only true law abiding citizens will participate it Chuckies little game and will be affected by his rules.
If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.
Bluetick serpentines around green fields and rock spit a lease
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Re: Sykes is Frustrated - BooHoo!
[Re: click-boom]
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04/23/18 08:29 PM
04/23/18 08:29 PM
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Posts: 407 limestone county
mdf
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I’m all for limiting the doe harvest. If the buck limit is lowered and the season gets shortened he won’t be around long. When the timber companies and large land owners can’t get people to lease land because a lot of people will decide it’s not worth the money anymore. When you start messing with the money it will cause some major problems. Maybe that is what they want for us to quit hunting leaving thousands upon thousands of prime hunting land open for his taking. But someone will lease it even if it is to only kill 1 buck a year and a couple of does. Those of us that don't own land shell out thousands for a couple hundred acres. JMO timber companies don't care if one or ten people lease there land,but if it's decent land someone will lease it.
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Re: Sykes is Frustrated - BooHoo!
[Re: Kelly_123]
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04/24/18 06:04 AM
04/24/18 06:04 AM
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Posts: 12,907 Montgomery / Luverne
crenshawco
Booner
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Booner
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Compliance among turkey hunters is estimated to be only slightly higher This was the funniest line of the article to me. He's smoking crack if he thinks turkey hunters are reporting at a higher rate than deer hunters.
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Re: Sykes is Frustrated - BooHoo!
[Re: crenshawco]
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04/24/18 06:36 AM
04/24/18 06:36 AM
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Old Mossy Horns
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Compliance among turkey hunters is estimated to be only slightly higher This was the funniest line of the article to me. He's smoking crack if he thinks turkey hunters are reporting at a higher rate than deer hunters. No doubt. I knpw several who dang sure are not gonna report the 1 or 10 they kill
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Re: Sykes is Frustrated - BooHoo!
[Re: Kelly_123]
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04/24/18 07:58 AM
04/24/18 07:58 AM
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Posts: 30,910 Clanton, AL
Out back
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Turkey hunters don't talk, or report. The only reason that idiot thinks turkey hunters are participating more, is because the turkey harvest actually looks closer to their SWAG than the deer numbers. He just can't accept the fact that they've been insanely overestimating deer harvest for years. Facts are very annoying. They don't change with personal opinions or political issues. Facts are just facts, and some people can't stand it.
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Re: Sykes is Frustrated - BooHoo!
[Re: Kelly_123]
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04/24/18 08:16 AM
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Posts: 21,975 Awbarn, AL
CNC
Dances With Weeds
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I don’t think some of y’all understand the foundation of surveys or “simple random sampling”. That’s not meant as an insult……It’s just that sampling of this nature is not really a WAG….It’s more like a math formula…. We were required to take classes in forestry called Measurements I and II……We spent half the semester of MI studying nothing but simple random sampling, how it worked, and the math behind why it worked. They wanted us to understand it because it’s the foundation for doing a timber cruise. You sample a small portion of the whole…….you don’t measure the entire timber stand. Do you guys who don’t believe the deer survey was accurate also believe that foresters are just taking wild arse guesses at timber cruises? They are using the same concepts……..
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Sykes is Frustrated - BooHoo!
[Re: Out back]
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04/24/18 08:16 AM
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Facts are just facts, and some people can't stand it. There is a lot of truth in that Out back. Unlike most of you here, I have received a hunter harvest survey. Not sure if I got one every year or not, but I know I've filled out 10 of them since relocating to AL in 2000. I am a forester, and at a continuing ed meeting one time, we had a biologist talk to the class about several issues, one of which was the hunter harvest surveys, and (at that time) the proposed Game Check system that was being postulated by the DNR. I should have asked how many of the surveys were mailed out each year, and what was the participation rate on them, but at the time, I could only think about the statistics. So, I asked them what kind of stats did they run on the numbers to come up with the estimated harvest. I suppose the field biologist didn't know, and he kinda blew it off to 'that was above his paygrade'. You can do wonderful things with statistics to help validify data... but still, the old axiom, garbage in : garbage out holds true most of the time. Sounds kinda familiar, come to think of it. The GC seems to be producing the same questionable information.
You gonna pull them pistols, or whistle Dixie?
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Re: Sykes is Frustrated - BooHoo!
[Re: treemydog]
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04/24/18 08:21 AM
04/24/18 08:21 AM
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Clem
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Round ‘bout there
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Not sure if I got one every year or not, but I know I've filled out 10 of them since relocating to AL in 2000.
You've received via the USPS mail a post-season DCNR hunter survey 10 times in the last 17 years?
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Sykes is Frustrated - BooHoo!
[Re: CNC]
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04/24/18 08:23 AM
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Reloader79
Bitch Peas, I'm a Kitty Whisperer
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Bitch Peas, I'm a Kitty Whisperer
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I don’t think some of y’all understand the foundation of surveys or “simple random sampling”. That’s not meant as an insult……It’s just that sampling of this nature is not really a WAG….It’s more like a math formula…. We were required to take classes in forestry called Measurements I and II……We spent half the semester of MI studying nothing but simple random sampling, how it worked, and the math behind why it worked. They wanted us to understand it because it’s the foundation for doing a timber cruise. You sample a small portion of the whole…….you don’t measure the entire timber stand. Do you guys who don’t believe the deer survey was accurate also believe that foresters are just taking wild arse guesses at timber cruises? They are using the same concepts…….. Most of the timber cruisers I’ve dealt with really just take wild arse guesses that’s why as a land owner you always wanna get paid by the load, not one lump bid because you’ll be making someone’s pocket book fatter than it already is. No way in hale could you sample deer populations like that and be accurate. Many people manage deer way better than others and don’t shoot every deer they see in the magic corn pile.
If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.
Bluetick serpentines around green fields and rock spit a lease
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