Here’s a new view. I don’t shoot does, and haven’t for 6 years . I will shoot a 2 year old 8 point if I need meat in a heartbeat. My neighbors shoot forked horn or better, but they don’t shoot does. We don’t have the biggest bucks but we don’t do without deer meat. Once I kill something I’m happy depending on the meat situation I shoot for 4 1/2-5 1/2. He may be a funky 5 pt or a really nice 8 pint like my wife killed this year. If the does are there there will always be bucks.