>>>Would you appoint a Commissioner of the DCNR that insists on continuing to classify coyotes as protected game animals while at the same time calling them a nuisance species? <<<

Whoever I appoint as Commissioner will be a total lackey who will only do what I tell him. Or her. This might be a good job to give me wife. My primary reason for running will be to increase the turkey population, and I will be personally involved in all of those decisions. All the other offices will be up for sale, like all the rest of the governors do.

And to answer your question, coyotes and all other critters that eat turkeys will be declared nuisance species. Not only will they have no protection, they will all have a bounty on them. There will also be a bounty on hogs. Not sure how many turkeys they eat, but they can ruin a chufa patch.

>>>Oh yeah! I almost forgot to ask. Does your idea of taxing the rich include taxing rich churches?<<<

There are rich churches? Where?

There's a few here and there:

Link:
Example

Some of them aren't doing too well lately though:
Cathedral of the Cross for sale - now only $3.4 million/ down from $5.4 million

I reckon we better get back to talking about killing coyotes before we stir something up, huh?? I ain't much of one to stir stuff up.

I'll say this, you're a thick-headed sumbeech. Coyotes are predators, and predators sometimes kill. I can see how a screaming fawn might tug at the heart strings of a girly-man but that's what happens in the real world. Mother Nature can be a cruel ol gal. If you've ever seen a deer starved to death, with a broken jaw, because some moron tried to make a head shot, you'd declare war on morons who make head shots. The fact is, neither can be eliminated, the coyotes or the morons, so we learn to live with them ... and occasionally kill one.

We only kill coyotes... we make bureaucrats out of the morons.

I'm certainly glad you have flip-flopped and realized the truth. Earlier, when you said, "Coyotes rarely kill a healthy deer or even fawns", I somehow knew you were ill informed and belligerent.

I think another thing that hurts the deer population and/or proliferation is the coyotes that eat the deer's food i.e. persimmons, muscadines, scuppernongs, etc.

When animals have no natural predators, oftentimes man has to step up and keep them in check.

Maybe now you won't try and convince otherwise.

I haven't changed my position, I still say "Coyotes rarely kill a healthy deer or even fawns".
I remain convinced that not even the coyotes, and the morons combined, are responsible for a 65% annual mortality rate.

This may sound like a stupid uninformed question to some of you but, here goes. How did the yotes come to be around here. I have heard that fox hunters brought them from out west to take the place of decimated fox populations. I have heard that they migrated east. I have heard that they escaped from test facilities and that aliens brought them. LOL (not the aliens from Mexico) Any idea how they really came to be residents of Alabama?

Preacher, mostly they migrated east from Texas, etc. If them dang Texans had manned up and done their job we wouldn't have any here

Some were brought into the state by those that wanted to chase em with dogs, but I believe that they were already here before most of the latter happened.

Outback, "coyotes rarely kill....fawns" may just be the stupidist statement made on ALL the coyote threads combined. You can't REALLY believe that...????

troy

Troy, the problem I see with the "migrated from TX" theory is that a 60 lb coyote is unheard of in TX and common in AL. How did they get so much bigger on their trip?

I maintain that the AL coyote is not the same critter as the one in TX and other western states. They are all crossed up with dogs, and much bigger and meaner.

pcp in my area, the coyotes were bigger when they first started being seen in the early 80's. The longer they have stayed here, the more normal sized (and color) they have become. I've killed a bunch of them and I've weighed a bunch of them over the years. I figure when the population was lower they bred with dogs more regularly, and those genes are now getting diluted which is responsible for the size getting more normal. I rarely see a "big" coyote and I also rarely see an off colored coyote. Both were common here 20 years ago.

Preacher, I agree on the size difference. The yotes we killed in Wyoming weighed 20-25 pounds, but they looked bigger because of the longer hair.

I weighed on in Hale Co years ago the pulled the scales to 55 pounds, solid black male yote.

You guys may have something on the size being bigger years ago. Now that I think about it, all the really big ones I've seen or killed were when they first moved in..

I got some guys near me that we let hunt them with hounds after deer season and during the summer.

We have/see/hear very few yotes. Some have moved in this fall. I talked with the guy the other day and he said to call after deer season and he would take care of them. No doubt he will, all of them. He'll go back until they are all gone.

Well coyotes have been spotted in Alabama since at least the 1920's and with the removal of the wolf population from the Southeastern US the coyote has moved up the food chain. I have witnessed first hand; since the late 70's when I started hunting; what coyotes are capable of and how they can practically eliminate a deer population from an area.

There are some great ways to eliminate coyotes and they all start with prey calls, trap and a nice shooting rifle. I wish they would allow hunting with suppressors because I believe that will allow those of us willing to exterminate the creatures to have the upper hand.

Why can't I believe that?
I grew up on a cattle farm, rarely ever had a calf killed by coyotes. They'd eat a dead calf before sunrise, but rarely attack one. I'm in the woods 2 or 3 days a week, year round, and rarely ever find a deer carcass, unless it's hunting season. Even when I do find a carcass, it's usually not evident how the deer died. Coyotes will eat almost anything, and something already dead is a bonus, to them. My pointer evidently thinks the same way, he loves nothing better than to woller all over a stinking carcass. I've seen your pictures of dead fawns, half eaten by coyotes, but do know (without a doubt) they killed it? I believe what I see, not what I read, and not what someone else tells me to believe.

you can believe anything ya want to.

I'll stand by my original statement.

I can't argue with that logic.
How do you feel about the human danger, that most folks claim, presented by coyotes? From my personal encounters with coyotes (many of them) I've never been threatened by them. I've had dozens of people tell me about coyotes trailing them out of the woods, but that's never happened to me, not once, in nearly 40 years of hunting. Someone can always tell you a story "they heard" about somebody being attacked by coyotes. My experience has been just opposite, one look at me and they high tail it for the next county. So how about your opinion? Are you afraid of them, like everyone "says" we should be?

never been followed, attacked, or skeered of a yote. I believe, not that I'd try it, I could kill one barehanded. They ain't nothing but a medium size dog and I dang sure ain't skeered of them.

I believe that in areas where the yotes are accustomed to human closeness and no danger from humans they become bolder. In some areas they have attacked children, not in Al that I know of. But I could see a large yote attacking a toddler. Any yote that DOSEN'T run at yer sight NEEDS killing immediately.

I have been attacked TWICE by feral dogs. Once in 1981 er so by four on Allen Acres, near Moundville. I killed three of them coming at me and my two daughters, beat one of em off my two year old with my rifle and kicking, trying to reload. Did so and ended the problem. An unarmed hunters wife walking her children would of ended tragically in this case.

Other time was 1986 er so, I approached four small black curs killing a fawn, and the biggest, 35#, came for me...stupid move as I was holding my 25/06!! But there was no doubt that he meant business.

In Alabama at least, feral dogs pose a much greater danger to humans than any yote ever did.

no charge and worth every penny....

troy

Outback,why wouldn't a coyote kill a fawn? coyote are very resourceful and will eat persimmons ,fruit or anything else they can find or kill. and they are capable of killing about anything in the woods.

Troy, just curious ... why are the feral dogs more aggressive, mean, etc., than the yotes?