We sponsored a 3 seminars about 14 years ago, but they got old to me in a hurry. They were basically a shoot does, shoot does, and shoot more does type speeches and then it was time for selling merchandise. The last seminar they forgot the schedule or something. I had been in touch with them several times, had advertised a lot and about two days before they were to show up they had to scramble to find a couple of guys to fill in. They were almost as bad as the turkey bunch with their merchandise selling.