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Re: AR Self Defense Ammo
[Re: Geno]
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10/04/17 05:53 PM
10/04/17 05:53 PM
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R_H_Clark
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fmj actually penetrates less than buckshot and pistols too.
It's not skewed research - it's the FBI doing it to see if they are going to have higher liability inside buildings.
That's why you don't see mp5s all over the place any more with agencies that have nearly unlimited budgets. They've all gone to .223 powered carbines or short rifles.
You can do the testing yourself - I would have if I hadn't found overwhelming evidence to support my claims.
The theory behind the actual performance is that the bullet weight is so much less that it loses it's power much faster than a pistol or a round of buckshot when it encounters resistance. I got a $100 bill anytime you want to bring your pistol. That's all I'm saying. It it penetrates farther than my AR you get the $100. You need to put up a $100 too though.
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Re: AR Self Defense Ammo
[Re: bambam32]
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10/05/17 02:13 AM
10/05/17 02:13 AM
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Geno
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The research I'm quoting is done by bean counters who are concerned with liability - not someone who is selling ar's. They had no dog in the race, it's not even a race to them.
I was as surprised as you are - believe me. I used to hold the same view you do. It's okay - we're all wrong at some point.
The time it would take to set up and do the testing would be worth a whole lot more than a bill. I'm not interested in taking your money though. Just performance and safety. I put away both of my tactical shotguns.
Whoever is happy will make others happy too. Anne Frank
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Re: AR Self Defense Ammo
[Re: bambam32]
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10/05/17 02:38 AM
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Geno
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I've shot pretty much everything there is to shoot with an ar. I've built and owned over a dozen since around 1986. I've been through over ten thousand rounds of everything from ball to tracers as a civilian. I shot a ton of rounds through them in the military.
Whoever is happy will make others happy too. Anne Frank
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Re: AR Self Defense Ammo
[Re: bambam32]
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10/05/17 03:40 AM
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H&R 12ga Pump. $165. (Decent quality Rem 870 clone) Blackhawk Adjustable Stock $47. Basically makes a Rem 870 clone with an stock similar to an AR for control and adjustable draw. I have mine loaded with #4 buckshot and it's devastating. I've shot plastic bottles wrapped with 2 layers of denim and it still makes a mess.
Last edited by bamachem; 10/05/17 03:40 AM.
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Re: AR Self Defense Ammo
[Re: bambam32]
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10/05/17 05:22 PM
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Bigbamaboy
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To the op, I keep 55gr Hornady SP loaded in two 30 round mags.
Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?
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Re: AR Self Defense Ammo
[Re: R_H_Clark]
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10/11/17 12:13 PM
10/11/17 12:13 PM
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Behind you
Avengedsevenfold
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I got a $100 bill anytime you want to bring your pistol. That's all I'm saying. It it penetrates farther than my AR you get the $100. You need to put up a $100 too though.
As long as it's any pistol...I might be up for that bet 
Carrying a gun isn't comfortable; but at times it is comforting
"Cause the cause for the pause you think you see is really concentration on the steel” NonPoint
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Re: AR Self Defense Ammo
[Re: Avengedsevenfold]
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10/11/17 01:55 PM
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AC870
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I got a $100 bill anytime you want to bring your pistol. That's all I'm saying. It it penetrates farther than my AR you get the $100. You need to put up a $100 too though.
As long as it's any pistol...I might be up for that bet Haha! Avenged will take your munny!
“Killing tomorrow’s trophies today.”
On the distance I like to walk to my stands:
“The first 100 yards is also the last 100 yards.”
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Re: AR Self Defense Ammo
[Re: bambam32]
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10/12/17 04:21 AM
10/12/17 04:21 AM
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GKelly
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Surplus m193 fragments on impact and is cheap compared to what youd pay for soft points or premium ammo its been working for the military for dozens of years it should work on a criminal. Its really not going to matter if you shoot someone with anything moving 3200 ftps its going to put them down
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Re: AR Self Defense Ammo
[Re: Avengedsevenfold]
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10/12/17 06:02 AM
10/12/17 06:02 AM
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I got a $100 bill anytime you want to bring your pistol. That's all I'm saying. It it penetrates farther than my AR you get the $100. You need to put up a $100 too though.
As long as it's any pistol...I might be up for that bet Can I use any ammo too?
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