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Re: The Ark?
[Re: Goatkiller]
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09/22/17 09:37 AM
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The Earth is about 4.5 billion years old.
Water covered much of the earth until about 2.5 billion years ago.
About 400 million years ago the first multi-cellular organisms appeared on land that came out of the sea.
Sharks have been around about 450 million years and have survived all the major extinctions
Crocodiles 200 million years.
Sabre Toothed Cats roamed North American from about 40 million years ago until 11,000 years ago. It is hard for me to comprehend how long that is and I consider myself a very intelligent person. That is undeniable. They have their skulls which were pulled out of the La Brea tar pits. That is as real as it gets. Along with a horde of other animals and plant life.
The last Ice Age began about 2.6 million years ago and ended about 12,000 years ago. The earth has gone through more geological and climate changes in 4.5 billion years than you can shake a stick at.
I don't care what your religion is these are the facts. Reconcile them however you like but to deny them is absurd in my opinion. I became interested in geology as a child. We were actually Squirrel hunting in Jackson County. I looked over at a rock on Sharp Mountain and saw the fossil of several Crinoids and Brachiopods in the rock. Clearly was ocean/marine life. So I took a sledge hammer back up there and broke it off and took it to school.
I did not understand how that got there. That's when I learned that North Alabama rocks were once the bottom of shallow seas between the Cambrian and Pennsylvanian Periods of the Paleozoic Era. And that these fossils I had found and took to school are older than the dinosaurs.
I would encourage anyone regardless of their religious beliefs and views on evolution to objectively maybe just look at some of this stuff. I would encourage visiting the Natural History Museum in New York if you are ever there and/or the Smithsonian in Washington.
Wooohoooo....a post that doesn't make my head hurt to read!
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Re: The Ark?
[Re: Goatkiller]
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09/22/17 09:37 AM
09/22/17 09:37 AM
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About 400 million years ago the first multi-cellular organisms appeared on land that came out of the sea.
I don't care what your religion is these are the facts.
Righttttttttt....
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Re: The Ark?
[Re: SouthBamaSlayer]
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09/22/17 09:38 AM
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About 400 million years ago the first multi-cellular organisms appeared on land that came out of the sea.
I don't care what your religion is these are the facts.
Righttttttttt.... Alright, where is the tylenol?
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Re: The Ark?
[Re: Goatkiller]
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09/22/17 09:40 AM
09/22/17 09:40 AM
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The Earth is about 4.5 billion years old.
Water covered much of the earth until about 2.5 billion years ago.
About 400 million years ago the first multi-cellular organisms appeared on land that came out of the sea.
Sharks have been around about 450 million years and have survived all the major extinctions
Crocodiles 200 million years.
Sabre Toothed Cats roamed North American from about 40 million years ago until 11,000 years ago. It is hard for me to comprehend how long that is and I consider myself a very intelligent person. That is undeniable. They have their skulls which were pulled out of the La Brea tar pits. That is as real as it gets. Along with a horde of other animals and plant life.
The last Ice Age began about 2.6 million years ago and ended about 12,000 years ago. The earth has gone through more geological and climate changes in 4.5 billion years than you can shake a stick at.
I don't care what your religion is these are the facts. Reconcile them however you like but to deny them is absurd in my opinion. I became interested in geology as a child. We were actually Squirrel hunting in Jackson County. I looked over at a rock on Sharp Mountain and saw the fossil of several Crinoids and Brachiopods in the rock. Clearly was ocean/marine life. So I took a sledge hammer back up there and broke it off and took it to school.
I did not understand how that got there. That's when I learned that North Alabama rocks were once the bottom of shallow seas between the Cambrian and Pennsylvanian Periods of the Paleozoic Era. And that these fossils I had found and took to school are older than the dinosaurs.
I would encourage anyone regardless of their religious beliefs and views on evolution to objectively maybe just look at some of this stuff. I would encourage visiting the Natural History Museum in New York if you are ever there and/or the Smithsonian in Washington. I agree with everything in your post, with one caveat - I believe God made all of it happen. I think when he explained the creation in Genesis, he knew early man couldn't comprehend the facts, and gave us the pre-school version, leaving nothing to question, other than the minute details. Science, simply, is God's way of spoon feeding us the massive and glorious scale on which He operates, to the extent that we can handle it, and as He allows.
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Re: The Ark?
[Re: Joe4majors]
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09/22/17 09:40 AM
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About 400 million years ago the first multi-cellular organisms appeared on land that came out of the sea.
I don't care what your religion is these are the facts.
Righttttttttt.... Alright, where is the tylenol? Lol I ain't fixing to get into a discussion about primordial soup, transition from anaerobic to aerobic, formation of mitochondrion, transition from sea to land, etc. I believe in micro-evolution, as we see that still happening today. However, I just think macro-evolution is a crock of chit. That being said, I could be completely wrong. I'm not saying God couldn't make it happen, I'm just saying I don't think He did.
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Re: The Ark?
[Re: SouthBamaSlayer]
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09/22/17 09:59 AM
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About 400 million years ago the first multi-cellular organisms appeared on land that came out of the sea.
I don't care what your religion is these are the facts.
Righttttttttt.... Alright, where is the tylenol? Lol I ain't fixing to get into a discussion about primordial soup, transition from anaerobic to aerobic, formation of mitochondrion, transition from sea to land, etc. I believe in micro-evolution, as we see that still happening today. However, I just think macro-evolution is a crock of chit. That being said, I could be completely wrong. I'm not saying God couldn't make it happen, I'm just saying I don't think He did. Reasonable theory and answer.
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Re: The Ark?
[Re: Joe4majors]
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09/22/17 10:00 AM
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About 400 million years ago the first multi-cellular organisms appeared on land that came out of the sea.
I don't care what your religion is these are the facts.
Righttttttttt.... Alright, where is the tylenol? Somehow, not mentioned in the Bible. It must not exist, so don't bother looking for it.
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Re: The Ark?
[Re: 300Ruger]
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09/22/17 10:30 AM
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I have read the texts of every major religion including Islam, Hinduism and Buddism. Along with a freaking slew of Native American stuff.
When someone says God made the earth in 6 days I'm going to say "Well you'll have to reconcile that with what we know today vs when the books were written with your self." Factually and Scientifically we know so much more today than we did in 70AD you can't even quantify it.
If someone is adamant about the literal text of the Bible I'm going to leave it at that and not argue with them because I see no problem in believing the scripture in a literal sense. There is no harm in it to me or anyone else.
I believe in evolution. I also consider myself a Christian and I believe in the Bible and God. I don't believe in picking an choosing what to believe in the Bible to suit me, rather I believe in the substance of what it says, the points it is trying to get across and the value in what is taught.
6 days of 4.5 billion years. That's not what matters to me. I don't get caught up in the literal aspects of it. I don't see the need to do that because that is NOT What and Why I believe in it.
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Re: The Ark?
[Re: perchjerker]
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09/22/17 11:17 AM
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I want to get deep into this, but I just feel the need to stay out of it for the most part. We've been down this road 100 times on Aldeer over the years.
I don't know the age of the earth, but I think it is much younger than the Billions of years the evolutionists claim it to be. How much younger? A Lot younger. Macro-evolution is an atheistic, far fetched, humanistic creation of man in my opinion. Simply no evidence for it. Ancient creatures existed, sure. But there is no link showing a transformation. Evolution has become its own religion to explain the Universe that was designed and created intentionally.
The reason I say that is based on a few things from scripture:
Who actually created? Christ did. As the creator, Son of God, on earth as a man, Christ had the opportunity to read and study Genesis (as well as all the OT) as a human being and to correct it in his teachings. He never did, he upheld the authority of it all. He created it all so he knows how it happened and when. He read the accounts and confirmed every last word.
What does that tell us today? I know what it tells me. Does the bible address every issue? No. It isn't a textbook.
All of the OT, including Genesis, points to Christ. We can debate the 3rd level theology all day, but Christ is central. Having the proper view of creation and scripture is important though because a Biblical worldview based on the Truth of Scripture is an essential thing when Standing Firm, Guarding our Hearts, Wearing the Full Armor of God, and sharing the Gospel.
Christians can believe in Billions of years and macro-evolution, sure. But that stance does come with theological implications to say the very least. To each his own. Ultimately, it is about Christ and that is where our emphasis needs to be.
"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever." Isaiah 40:8
"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt.� Samuel Adams
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Re: The Ark?
[Re: straycat]
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09/22/17 11:30 AM
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I want to get deep into this, but I just feel the need to stay out of it for the most part. We've been down this road 100 times on Aldeer over the years.
I don't know the age of the earth, but I think it is much younger than the Billions of years the evolutionists claim it to be. How much younger? A Lot younger. Macro-evolution is an atheistic, far fetched, humanistic creation of man in my opinion. Simply no evidence for it. Ancient creatures existed, sure. But there is no link showing a transformation. Evolution has become its own religion to explain the Universe that was designed and created intentionally.
The reason I say that is based on a few things from scripture:
Who actually created? Christ did. As the creator, Son of God, on earth as a man, Christ had the opportunity to read and study Genesis (as well as all the OT) as a human being and to correct it in his teachings. He never did, he upheld the authority of it all. He created it all so he knows how it happened and when. He read the accounts and confirmed every last word.
What does that tell us today? I know what it tells me. Does the bible address every issue? No. It isn't a textbook.
All of the OT, including Genesis, points to Christ. We can debate the 3rd level theology all day, but Christ is central. Having the proper view of creation and scripture is important though because a Biblical worldview based on the Truth of Scripture is an essential thing when Standing Firm, Guarding our Hearts, Wearing the Full Armor of God, and sharing the Gospel.
Christians can believe in Billions of years and macro-evolution, sure. But that stance does come with theological implications to say the very least. To each his own. Ultimately, it is about Christ and that is where our emphasis needs to be. Is there any possibility that any Christian ever thought the Earth was flat? Or that witches didn't float? God gives us the tools to help ourselves because He commanded that we do so. God won't cause you to win the lottery if you're too lazy to buy a ticket.
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Re: The Ark?
[Re: Squadron77]
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09/22/17 12:38 PM
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Genesis tells us that Noah took 2 of every animal of its kind not every animal
Reread the account of the flood, slowly and tell me again how many he took
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Re: The Ark?
[Re: lefthorn]
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09/22/17 12:40 PM
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Genesis tells us that Noah took 2 of every animal of its kind not every animal
Reread the account of the flood, slowly and tell me again how many he took Saw that one coming a mile off
When I need expert advice I tend to talk to myself The older I get the better I used to be
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Re: The Ark?
[Re: Squadron77]
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09/22/17 02:02 PM
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Good point. Most of the Jewish dietary laws are to keep people from catching diseases from improper handling of the animal carcass and forbidden to eat some animals that carries more diseases. Once learned, it was common sense. In place of common sense, there was "God's Law". The 10 Commandments serve the same purpose. Law where there is none (at the time of Moses).
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Re: The Ark?
[Re: perchjerker]
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09/22/17 02:03 PM
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This thread is at 11 pages long, like most Religious threads they just never end on their own so I am going to lock it down. Nothing personal to anybody.
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