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Re: Duck hunters - please evaluate my pattern
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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08/22/17 04:14 PM
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About where you want to get in the blind, I hate being in the middle, then again I'm usually calling and need an end to be able to watch.
We usually try and tell each other to shoot your birds. If there is several, the ends take the edge birds and the middle guys take the middle.
Most end up throwing the plan out and shoot the closest bird.
I will usually try and pick the furtherest in range bird. Then pick up birds flying out. I used to be the guy that finished that one bird leaving. Dropped a many on the 3rd shot. My eyes are nothing like they used to be, lot's of whiffs these days.
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Re: Duck hunters - please evaluate my pattern
[Re: cartervj]
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08/30/17 12:40 PM
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I promised a pic of how the tss shoots with just a cylinder choke installed, so here it is: As you can see, there's not a lot of difference; got 82% inside the 30" circle at 40 yds. It's still too tight for close shots, though it should drop a duck at very long range if I can hit him. I'll talk to the outfitter and try to decide what to do. I could put a steel load in the barrel and 2 tss loads in magazine. Or considering that there will be 5 of us in the blind I could just shoot it as is. Also thinking I might take a sxs and put steel in one barrel and the tss in the other. It should be fun to test it regardless. TSS continues to surprise me after a decade of use. To get an 82% pattern without any choke is not what I expected, and I was wrong in thinking I could open the pattern up with less choke. This would be a better setup for turkey than what I used for decades.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: Duck hunters - please evaluate my pattern
[Re: AU coonhunter]
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08/30/17 02:22 PM
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Did you shoot it at 25 to see how tight it is? Amazing how tight that it patterns. Change the amount of buffer to see if it will open up more? Just pretend they are turkeys and shoot them in the head. There's no buffer in the shell and I don't think I wanna know how small the pattern is at 25 yds. These shells were loaded on a Mec loader and aren't quite as consistent as our turkey loads that we weigh. I still counted 65 hits in a 10" circle a couple of inches high on the aiming dot. At 1335, they would penetrate better than #2 lead. And that's in a gun with no choke. This stuff seems to defy physics.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: Duck hunters - please evaluate my pattern
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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08/30/17 03:09 PM
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I wouldn't mix steel loads and then TSS loads, they will shoot different enough it might make for some tough shooting. I know when I shoot the E Shot from Bucks Run it takes a few shots to adjust my leads from steel shot.
Very nice pattern you have there, and like AU mentioned, you will have some folks wanting those magic loads.
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Re: Duck hunters - please evaluate my pattern
[Re: AU coonhunter]
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08/30/17 03:22 PM
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I have a feeling by the end of your hunt that everyone will want some of your magic shells. I wonder how a steel/tss load would pattern? Good. Hal has some recipes for them. It opens patterns up too
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Re: Duck hunters - please evaluate my pattern
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08/30/17 05:33 PM
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I have a feeling by the end of your hunt that everyone will want some of your magic shells. I wonder how a steel/tss load would pattern? Good. Hal has some recipes for them. It opens patterns up too I suspect one of those duplex loads would combine price and performance to make an excellent load for a serious duck hunter. It's a one time hunt for me, so I'm not worried about being practical. I think I would get the pattern to open up some in a different gun. That chrome lined barrel of the SBE 1 has always shot any load really tight.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: Duck hunters - please evaluate my pattern
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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09/03/17 05:52 PM
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Like its been said before, its probably too tight of a group for puddlers inside 40yds. But a mix of tss and steel could be the golden ticket for divers or finishing off cripples on the water.
If you decide to try that and figure up a price per box, I'd like to give em a shot this season....
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Re: Duck hunters - please evaluate my pattern
[Re: I_prefer_ducks]
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12/19/17 05:35 AM
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I finally made it back home yesterday from my OK hunt. We were supposed to fly into Atlanta Sunday and got caught up in the power outage. It was an appropriate conclusion to a dissappointing hunt. I expected the ducks to be iffy, but I really thought the quail were a sure thing. They weren't. I was the high man in our group and got only 4 quail in 1.5 days of hard hunting. The duck hunting wasn't much better. I got 3 chances to get a mallard and missed them all. They were all pass shots in the 45-50 yard range but I should have gotten at least one. The other group got some good shooting one day and got 9. I did get a limit of ringnecks one morning and that was the most excitement of the hunt. The good news is that my tss shells worked great. I gave the other 4 hunters some to try and one guy got several at what he described as long range. They certainly worked well on the ringnecks, but I had easier shots on them than I did the mallards. Thanks to all for the advice. I suspect any future duck hunting I do will be limited to jump shooting wood ducks on the creek.
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Re: Duck hunters - please evaluate my pattern
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12/19/17 05:03 PM
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Still beats a hard day of work. Looks like you had some fun even though the birds weren't there. It's been one of those years.
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Re: Duck hunters - please evaluate my pattern
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12/21/17 02:39 PM
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Still beats a hard day of work. Looks like you had some fun even though the birds weren't there. It's been one of those years. Beats working, for sure. The most surprising thing I saw out there was thousands of sandhill cranes. They were in groups of 100 or more and flew around slowly, maybe 2000 feet high. I never saw a one on the ground and our outfitter had no ideas on how to hunt them, but they are out there in big numbers. Anyone ever hunted them?
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: Duck hunters - please evaluate my pattern
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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12/21/17 04:57 PM
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I'd love to hunt them, Ribeyes of the sky they are called. I think there is some hunting zones in TN. Wheeler Refuge winters 30-40,000, they have a Crane Festival in February. I hope AL will get a season. Since they are usually hunted of dry fields, I know states allow lead shot.
They can be deadly on dogs if wounded though so you gotta use your head.
Heck I'm getting all excited, flushed about 50 mallards today at the farm, loaded a box of shells and gonna give a try int he morning. Still can't bring myself to shoot TSS at ducks. I bought several several pounds of it at $24 a lb.
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Re: Duck hunters - please evaluate my pattern
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12/22/17 08:33 AM
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In my opinion, you're right. That pattern is too tight. I don't understand why folks want a pattern so tight? They must point straighter than me. I also like to eat the birds we shoot. All you need is modified at best and IC may be better. Try Federal Black Clouds. We have found nothing that is better. But in the timber it just flat doesnt matter unless you are trying to treetop big ducks because shots should be close.
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Re: Duck hunters - please evaluate my pattern
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12/22/17 02:59 PM
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In my opinion, you're right. That pattern is too tight. I don't understand why folks want a pattern so tight? They must point straighter than me. I also like to eat the birds we shoot. All you need is modified at best and IC may be better. Try Federal Black Clouds. We have found nothing that is better. But in the timber it just flat doesnt matter unless you are trying to treetop big ducks because shots should be close. I didn't want the pattern that tight, hence the reason I started the thread. And 2 of those 3 patterns were shot with no choke at all, and still shot over 80%. The recipe has no buffer in it, so I don't know how to open it up. I wouldn't prefer the tss as my first shot, but it sure worked well on 2nd and third shots. I shot all of the ringnecks inside of 35 yards; think I shot just one with steel and killed the others with tss.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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