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Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: bholmes] #2143458
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Originally Posted by bholmes
Originally Posted by metalmessiah
Originally Posted by hunterbuck
Originally Posted by metalmessiah

kids these days get like 60 something doses by the time they start school.


You have any documentation for that? My son is 11, and isn't remotely near that number.

I think the state of Alabama requires 4 vaccinations for kids to start school....DTaP, Polio, Chickenpox, and MMR. Yes, some are required to be given in "courses", but nowhere near what you're suggesting.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.


youre misunderstanding what I'm saying first off. I didnt say they get 60 shots. some of those you listed have 3 or 4 different doses in each shot. I guarantee you they didnt let your kid start with only 4 shots either. no school system I have ever seen anyway. they get a hepatitis b shot the first week of their life. I'd love to know whats causing such a great risk of hep b to newborns.


The document that jbc linked, proved that much more than 4 shots are required.


Did you not read my other post, which states exactly what jbc linked? Here it is, from above...


Originally Posted by hunterbuck
The only ones of those that are REQUIRED are the 4 I mentioned.

DTaP requires 5 shots from birth to 18 years

Polio requires 4 shots from birth to 18 years

MMR requires 2 doses from birth to 18 years

Chickenpox requires 2 doses from birth to 18 years

That's 13 required shots over the course of 18 years.

It's up to you to decide if you want to do all the others.




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Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: Booger] #2143459
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We vaccinate our children, with a real understanding that vaccines ( the actual vaccine or the preservative or the vaccination schedule) could possibly cause/introduce/exacerbate some other health problem in a small % of the population.

I don't think the medical research community has gotten to the point where these things can be solidly linked. But I would not be surprised that within 5-10 years there is an "official" announcement that there is some type of correlation/cause and effect/linkage (whatever the word could be).

What we have now is a combination of real world life experiences, some trial and error and some speculation. There is a growing opinion that our boxed and processed food intake as Americans is linked to the seemingly rapid growth of Autism spectrum disorders (wide range), ADD/ADHD, Epilepsy/seizures, etc... I read stories about diet changes that have been showing significant reduction in Autism symptoms. Now is this proven through medical research yet? No. These are parents trying things and seeing at least nominal results in real life even without and medical clinician saying it is true. I suspect the same for vaccinations.

Time will tell.


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Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: Booger] #2143484
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For those of you who keep saying kickbacks ad profit etc etc. What brings you to that conclusion. Do you think that we, as providers, get paid by the pharmaceutical companies to "force vaccines" on you. Or is this a generalized statement about some insignificant dollar addition to each shot for profit billable profit.
My question would be when you do a job in your profession do you not charge for profit for the things you do or do you run a business that just breaks cost with every job?


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Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: 87dixieboy] #2143495
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Originally Posted by 87dixieboy
For those of you who keep saying kickbacks ad profit etc etc. What brings you to that conclusion. Do you think that we, as providers, get paid by the pharmaceutical companies to "force vaccines" on you. Or is this a generalized statement about some insignificant dollar addition to each shot for profit billable profit.
My question would be when you do a job in your profession do you not charge for profit for the things you do or do you run a business that just breaks cost with every job?


Lots of jibberish in this thread. People talking about "big vaccine" and mercury to keep them in solution. Its sort of unbelievable.


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Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: TickaTicka] #2143513
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Originally Posted by TickaTicka
Originally Posted by 87dixieboy
For those of you who keep saying kickbacks ad profit etc etc. What brings you to that conclusion. Do you think that we, as providers, get paid by the pharmaceutical companies to "force vaccines" on you. Or is this a generalized statement about some insignificant dollar addition to each shot for profit billable profit.
My question would be when you do a job in your profession do you not charge for profit for the things you do or do you run a business that just breaks cost with every job?


Lots of jibberish in this thread. People talking about "big vaccine" and mercury to keep them in solution. Its sort of unbelievable.


Its just ridiculous to make such a statement. Yes back several years ago pharmaceutical companies did take providers on trips and discussed their product but at this day and age they can barely give you a pen. To make such an outlandish statement about a profession that I take seriously is insulting to say the least especially when you recommend these things to help improve/ protect some ones life. Its not for kickbacks and it dang sure isn't because we are trying to hurt you.


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Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: 87dixieboy] #2143569
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The way autism is diagnosed changed several years ago so medical conditions that had other names are now called autism.


This is something that isn't talked about enough when the claim of the increased incidence of autism is mentioned. I'm not sure exactly when but a lot of disorders that used be classified as some other type of mental, or growth and development disorder were reclassified as a form of autism. On paper this made it seem that we suddenly had a dramatic increase in the rate of autism. We didn't. If you adjust for this fact the rate of all these forms of autism have been very consistent.

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The vaccine conversation is impossible to have. You either believe in stories or science


True. If you pick the scab off the anti-vaccine crowd you discover a collection of anti government conspiracy kooks, alternative medicine snake oil salesmen and tragically mislead parents of autistic children. What you don't find is any real science to back up their claims.

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This is the definition of a 1st world problem.

The aforementioned northern africans must look at us with such envy. They have children dying of communicable infectious diseases every day, and we let pretty people with the equivalent of 9th grade education determine our public health policy.

We are truly insane.


I'm going to say something that may sound stupid. One of the problems you have in dealing with the anti-vaccine crowd is that vaccines have worked "TOO WELL". They have worked so well that people my age or younger have lost almost all fear of the diseases vaccines prevent. None of my friends my age or younger knows anyone that had an infant die of whooping cough. Or a family member die of tetanus. Or anyone who had a child crippled by polio. But my grandparents knew what it was to live with that fear. I'd love to turn my 96 year old grandmother loose on one of these anti-vax kooks and let her read them the riot act on what it was like to live in a time when these diseases were still a very real daily threat.

There hasn't been a case of small pox anywhere in the world since about 1977 thanks to the vaccine that helped eradicated it. But small pox killed 300 million people in the 20th century alone before vaccination programs were put in place to prevent it. That's more deaths than occurred in all the wars in the 20th century combined. And small pox is just one deadly disease vaccinations have eliminated.

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Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: Booger] #2143577
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Why do we see more Peanut allergies now???

Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: alhawk] #2143588
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Originally Posted by alhawk
Why do we see more Peanut allergies now???


Do we?

I don't know anyone allergic to peanuts

Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: 87dixieboy] #2143591
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Originally Posted by 87dixieboy
Originally Posted by TickaTicka
Originally Posted by 87dixieboy
For those of you who keep saying kickbacks ad profit etc etc. What brings you to that conclusion. Do you think that we, as providers, get paid by the pharmaceutical companies to "force vaccines" on you. Or is this a generalized statement about some insignificant dollar addition to each shot for profit billable profit.
My question would be when you do a job in your profession do you not charge for profit for the things you do or do you run a business that just breaks cost with every job?


Lots of jibberish in this thread. People talking about "big vaccine" and mercury to keep them in solution. Its sort of unbelievable.


Its just ridiculous to make such a statement. Yes back several years ago pharmaceutical companies did take providers on trips and discussed their product but at this day and age they can barely give you a pen. To make such an outlandish statement about a profession that I take seriously is insulting to say the least especially when you recommend these things to help improve/ protect some ones life. Its not for kickbacks and it dang sure isn't because we are trying to hurt you.


Those saying that sort of stupidity don't know the first thing about the current pharma industry.
It is so insanely regulated now.

Pen? Must be buying the Dr.
Notepad? Must be buying the Dr.

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Originally Posted by Todd1700
[quote]There hasn't been a case of small pox anywhere in the world since about 1977 thanks to the vaccine that helped eradicated it. But small pox killed 300 million people in the 20th century alone before vaccination programs were put in place to prevent it. That's more deaths than occurred in all the wars in the 20th century combined. And small pox is just one deadly disease vaccinations have eliminated.


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Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: hunterbuck] #2143718
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Originally Posted by hunterbuck
Originally Posted by bholmes
Originally Posted by metalmessiah
Originally Posted by hunterbuck
[quote=metalmessiah]
kids these days get like 60 something doses by the time they start school.


You have any documentation for that? My son is 11, and isn't remotely near that number.

I think the state of Alabama requires 4 vaccinations for kids to start school....DTaP, Polio, Chickenpox, and MMR. Yes, some are required to be given in "courses", but nowhere near what you're suggesting.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.


youre misunderstanding what I'm saying first off. I didnt say they get 60 shots. some of those you listed have 3 or 4 different doses in each shot. I guarantee you they didnt let your kid start with only 4 shots either. no school system I have ever seen anyway. they get a hepatitis b shot the first week of their life. I'd love to know whats causing such a great risk of hep b to newborns.


The document that jbc linked, proved that much more than 4 shots are required.


Did you not read my other post, which states exactly what jbc linked? Here it is, from above...


Originally Posted by hunterbuck
The only ones of those that are REQUIRED are the 4 I mentioned.

DTaP requires 5 shots from birth to 18 years

Polio requires 4 shots from birth to 18 years

MMR requires 2 doses from birth to 18 years

Chickenpox requires 2 doses from birth to 18 years

That's 13 required shots over the course of 18 years.

It's up to you to decide if you want to do all the others.


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The Mrs. says you're correct hunterbuck, however , your timeline is incorrect, they don't stretch them till age 18. Some colleges require meningitis as well.

She says it can get complicated , like a jigsaw puzzle, when folks don't get them on time.

She said the kids coming from South of the border must follow Alabama's laws on immunizations. If they have no records with them they start at square one regardless of age. She says they are very good about getting them on time.



She asked why are a bunch of men discussing immunizations on a deer hunting site? laugh Good question .


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Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: Booger] #2143724
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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by hunterbuck
Originally Posted by bholmes
Originally Posted by metalmessiah
[quote=hunterbuck][quote=metalmessiah]
kids these days get like 60 something doses by the time they start school.


You have any documentation for that? My son is 11, and isn't remotely near that number.

I think the state of Alabama requires 4 vaccinations for kids to start school....DTaP, Polio, Chickenpox, and MMR. Yes, some are required to be given in "courses", but nowhere near what you're suggesting.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.


youre misunderstanding what I'm saying first off. I didnt say they get 60 shots. some of those you listed have 3 or 4 different doses in each shot. I guarantee you they didnt let your kid start with only 4 shots either. no school system I have ever seen anyway. they get a hepatitis b shot the first week of their life. I'd love to know whats causing such a great risk of hep b to newborns.


The document that jbc linked, proved that much more than 4 shots are required.


Did you not read my other post, which states exactly what jbc linked? Here it is, from above...


Originally Posted by hunterbuck
The only ones of those that are REQUIRED are the 4 I mentioned.

DTaP requires 5 shots from birth to 18 years

Polio requires 4 shots from birth to 18 years

MMR requires 2 doses from birth to 18 years

Chickenpox requires 2 doses from birth to 18 years

That's 13 required shots over the course of 18 years.

It's up to you to decide if you want to do all the others.


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The Mrs. says you're correct hunterbuck, however , your timeline is incorrect, they don't stretch them till age 18. Some colleges require meningitis as well.

She says it can get complicated , like a jigsaw puzzle, when folks don't get them on time.



She asked why are a bunch of men discussing immunizations on a deer hunting site? laugh Good question .

[/quote]

Some colleges also require a hepatitis vaccine. I think it's hep C.

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2dogs, you can also tell her that we are more "cultured" than most women realize. This place is simply a brain trust of sorts.


Says the guy named "booger" rofl

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Originally Posted by doekiller
2dogs, tell her it is because this is where all the worlds problems are solved.


I've told her that very thing several times, she just don't get it. laugh



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Originally Posted by SouthBamaSlayer



Some colleges also require a hepatitis vaccine. I think it's hep C.


Negative on the Hep C. Boss lady says far as she knows, there's not a vaccine/immunization for Hep C.



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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
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Some colleges also require a hepatitis vaccine. I think it's hep C.


Negative on the Hep C. Boss lady says far as she knows, there's not a vaccine/immunization for Hep C.


It must be B then, because there is a series of three shots you take for one of the Heps. I know I took them since we were exposed to blood pretty often.


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Some colleges also require a hepatitis vaccine. I think it's hep C.


Negative on the Hep C. Boss lady says far as she knows, there's not a vaccine/immunization for Hep C.


It must be B then, because there is a series of three shots you take for one of the Heps. I know I took them since we were exposed to blood pretty often.


You get Hep B . If kid gets them on time , at birth, 2 months and 6 months. Any kid going to college should have them out of the way WELL before he/she goes off to college .

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Hep B it is. No such thing as a Hep C vaccine although there is a cure now. It is rather expensive


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