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Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: doekiller] #2142598
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Originally Posted by doekiller
All the loons who say vaccines cause autism and other issues site a study by a doctor from England that a number of years later admitted he faked his research and manipulated his numbers.

Aside from that one "study", there has not ever been a per reviewed medical study linking vaccines to autism.


It doesn't stop there. He lost his medical license and the magazine that published his article was completely discredited. So...

Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: Booger] #2142608
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I don't think any virus will be 100%, sho' nuff eradicated.

Being one of the fastest evolving organisms, discussing the nature of viruses will send you into a rabbit hole of "what-ifs" to think about outcomes. But most people don't know the difference between a virus and a ham sammich, so they'll do whatever person wearing a pair of scrubs tells them to do.

If one were to gamble with vaccinations, they better know and plan their schit, and if they lose that gamble by one's own calculation and reasoning, they should be held accountable for the collateral damages.

How to legislate it is way above my pay grade. All my brain can come up with is a lot of bad outcomes as a result of not vaccinating, versus a couple of good outcomes for the same action.




Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: Booger] #2142650
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So I'm selfish if I am unwilling to take the risk of my child being negatively impacted by the multitude of combined vacinations. Yet your desire to imunize ALL children in order to protect your immunosuppressed child isn't.
Glass houses and stones.


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Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: CatHeadBiscuit] #2142664
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Originally Posted by CatHeadBiscuit
So I'm selfish if I am unwilling to take the risk of my child being negatively impacted by the multitude of combined vacinations. Yet your desire to imunize ALL children in order to protect your immunosuppressed child isn't.
Glass houses and stones.


Yes. Science and such.

Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: Booger] #2142670
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I'll go with jbc on this one.


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Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: jbc] #2142673
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Originally Posted by jbc
Originally Posted by CatHeadBiscuit
So I'm selfish if I am unwilling to take the risk of my child being negatively impacted by the multitude of combined vacinations. Yet your desire to imunize ALL children in order to protect your immunosuppressed child isn't.
Glass houses and stones.


Yes. Science and such.


Lol, you're on a roll.

Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: Hunting-231] #2142677
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Originally Posted by Hunting-231
Originally Posted by doekiller
All the loons who say vaccines cause autism and other issues site a study by a doctor from England that a number of years later admitted he faked his research and manipulated his numbers.

Aside from that one "study", there has not ever been a per reviewed medical study linking vaccines to autism.


I guess that I am a loon, but then again I have seen it 1st hand and have been around this child from day-one to his current age of 15-years old.

As a child he was as healthy as could be determined for his age. He had the DPT shot and things went downhill. He has been diagnosed with low functioning autism.

If you would like to speak with his mother or family, I would be happy to arrange a meeting with them and you can share your extensive knowledge about the lack of evidence between immunizations and autism. They would probably show you the before pictures and after and you can make your own determination.


At what age did the onset of symptoms from autism start?


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Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: doekiller] #2142678
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Originally Posted by doekiller
All the loons who say vaccines cause autism and other issues site a study by a doctor from England that a number of years later admitted he faked his research and manipulated his numbers.

Aside from that one "study", there has not ever been a per reviewed medical study linking vaccines to autism.


But, but, but....some of the Hollywood geniuses agree with him and we all know they are smarter than the rest of us so they should be listened to on this as well as politics.


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Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: Booger] #2142684
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Well, lets kick it Darwin style.

My kid beat the flu without a vaccine. Yours died.

My kid passed the flu to yours.

My kid is still alive, yours isn't.

What's the take on it from your perspective?

Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: IDOT] #2142686
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Originally Posted by IDOT
Both my children were vaccinated, but it's not something that comes totally without risk. Children die every year as a direct result of those vaccinations. I'm glad my children weren't part of that statistic.


According to the CDC the chance of that is less than one out of a million.


GO NOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: whack-n-stack] #2142689
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Originally Posted by whack-n-stack
Well, lets kick it Darwin style.

My kid beat the flu without a vaccine. Yours died.

My kid passed the flu to yours.

My kid is still alive, yours isn't.

What's the take on it from your perspective?


SHush it.


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Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: bill] #2142694
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Originally Posted by bill

Originally Posted by jbc
My thoughts are aside from rare medical conditions like you pointed out,... you are a complete douche bag and your kid should be banned from daycares and schools if you don't get vaccines.

Extremely selfish and stupid.


If you're kids get vaccinated and mine don't, why should it matter? Those vaccines should protect your kids, right? Mine, and others that don't get vaccinated would be the only ones at risk, correct?


No. My son could not get the vaccination. But somehow a disease that was supposedly knocked out (rate dropped 99% after vaccine began) ended up almost killing him.


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Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: Booger] #2142698
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Originally Posted by Booger
Originally Posted by IDOT
Both my children were vaccinated, but it's not something that comes totally without risk. Children die every year as a direct result of those vaccinations. I'm glad my children weren't part of that statistic.


According to the CDC the chance of that is less than one out of a million.


It's only a small percentage if it isnt your child. Look, as a parent you can't not get your child those vaccinations..it's a must. That being said, the cdc numbers are horse schit. It only takes about 5mins on the web, to discover its a much larger number.


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If you’re a common sense person, you probably don’t feel you have a home in this world right now. If you’re a Christian, you know you were never meant to.


Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: IDOT] #2142701
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Originally Posted by IDOT
Originally Posted by Booger
Originally Posted by IDOT
Both my children were vaccinated, but it's not something that comes totally without risk. Children die every year as a direct result of those vaccinations. I'm glad my children weren't part of that statistic.


According to the CDC the chance of that is less than one out of a million.


It's only a small percentage if it isnt your child. Look, as a parent you can't not get your child those vaccinations..it's a must. That being said, the cdc numbers are horse schit. It only takes about 5mins on the web, to discover its a much larger number.


Those numbers can't necessarily be related back to vaccines. Did they get sick after a vaccine? Sure. That doesn't mean jack crap in relation to whether or not the vaccine caused it.

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Originally Posted by doekiller
All the loons who say vaccines cause autism and other issues site a study by a doctor from England that a number of years later admitted he faked his research and manipulated his numbers.

Aside from that one "study", there has not ever been a per reviewed medical study linking vaccines to autism.


That guy is also not allowed to practice medicine any more.


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Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #2142707
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Originally Posted by SouthBamaSlayer

Originally Posted by IDOT
Originally Posted by Booger
Originally Posted by IDOT
Both my children were vaccinated, but it's not something that comes totally without risk. Children die every year as a direct result of those vaccinations. I'm glad my children weren't part of that statistic.


According to the CDC the chance of that is less than one out of a million.


It's only a small percentage if it isnt your child. Look, as a parent you can't not get your child those vaccinations..it's a must. That being said, the cdc numbers are horse schit. It only takes about 5mins on the web, to discover its a much larger number.


Those numbers can't necessarily be related back to vaccines. Did they get sick after a vaccine? Sure. That doesn't mean jack crap in relation to whether or not the vaccine caused it.


Please, you can't be serious.


Originally Posted by Patricia Heaton
If you’re a common sense person, you probably don’t feel you have a home in this world right now. If you’re a Christian, you know you were never meant to.


Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: Hunting-231] #2142711
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Originally Posted by Hunting-231
Originally Posted by doekiller
All the loons who say vaccines cause autism and other issues site a study by a doctor from England that a number of years later admitted he faked his research and manipulated his numbers.

Aside from that one "study", there has not ever been a per reviewed medical study linking vaccines to autism.


I guess that I am a loon, but then again I have seen it 1st hand and have been around this child from day-one to his current age of 15-years old.

As a child he was as healthy as could be determined for his age. He had the DPT shot and things went downhill. He has been diagnosed with low functioning autism.

If you would like to speak with his mother or family, I would be happy to arrange a meeting with them and you can share your extensive knowledge about the lack of evidence between immunizations and autism. They would probably show you the before pictures and after and you can make your own determination.


He had autism when he was born. Autism is not acquired.


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Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: Booger] #2142720
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As polio was certainly a bad disease that crippled many a person, I was some of the last to get the vaccination. I have had mumps, chicken pox, shingles, measles and whatever my older brother brought home from school. I thank God that my kids didn't have to suffer through these diseases . Many a person lost their lives to these diseases. It is a risk to take any vaccine and I lost my Grandfather to the swine flu vaccine as it caused a heart attack and he died at 76. But it is a minimal risk. My children all were vaccinated. There will come a time when this stuff comes back and viruses mutate. Open borders and middle easterners coming in increase our risk.

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Originally Posted by IDOT
Originally Posted by Booger
Originally Posted by IDOT
Both my children were vaccinated, but it's not something that comes totally without risk. Children die every year as a direct result of those vaccinations. I'm glad my children weren't part of that statistic.


According to the CDC the chance of that is less than one out of a million.


It's only a small percentage if it isnt your child. Look, as a parent you can't not get your child those vaccinations..it's a must. That being said, the cdc numbers are horse schit. It only takes about 5mins on the web, to discover its a much larger number.


So, we used to see over 200,000 cases a year in the U.S. of pertussis before the vaccine. After the vaccine a case is rarely seen, until recently. Why not knock out the disease so those kids and adults with low immune systems don't acquire these diseases. I would like to think that my son's life matters too.


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Re: Thoughts based on facts about vaccinating children. [Re: 87dixieboy] #2142727
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Originally Posted by 87dixieboy
Originally Posted by Hunting-231
Originally Posted by doekiller
All the loons who say vaccines cause autism and other issues site a study by a doctor from England that a number of years later admitted he faked his research and manipulated his numbers.

Aside from that one "study", there has not ever been a per reviewed medical study linking vaccines to autism.


I guess that I am a loon, but then again I have seen it 1st hand and have been around this child from day-one to his current age of 15-years old.

As a child he was as healthy as could be determined for his age. He had the DPT shot and things went downhill. He has been diagnosed with low functioning autism.

If you would like to speak with his mother or family, I would be happy to arrange a meeting with them and you can share your extensive knowledge about the lack of evidence between immunizations and autism. They would probably show you the before pictures and after and you can make your own determination.


At what age did the onset of symptoms from autism start?


I don't recall his exact age (if you would like, I can call his mom or grandpa and ask - or if you have a similar situation PM me with your contact information and I can ask his mom to contact you). His mom has everything documented. If memory serves me correctly; he was just starting to babble (before talking) when he received the shot and pretty much shutdown very shortly after that.

While it would be impossible to 100% place the blame on a shot(s). If I remember correctly, I believe he had an elevated fever and when they did the initial blood work it indicated an elevated level of Mercury and this didn't appear until after the vaccinations were given.


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