The older full choked guns are way better than something produced in the last 10 years. They are constricted more than today's full choke .410's for some reason.

Because ridgestalker's gun shoots so good, I have bought or found for others about a half dozen of the same model and every one of them patterned thus far has been a no doubt 40 yard gun with Hal's load and either 9's or 9.5's. Some of them could prolly kill one much further. Pretty much all of them have been bought for $100. Stony paid a little more I think but he was ready and didnt want to exercise any patience. Lol!