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Re: Forever Wild.
[Re: centralala]
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04/25/17 03:32 PM
04/25/17 03:32 PM
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2Dogs
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Fine by me, FW has a bunch of $, they should do something besides buy property with it. They took a lot of property off the tax rolls in Jackson Co. Tax payers have to make it up.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Forever Wild.
[Re: 2Dogs]
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04/25/17 03:38 PM
04/25/17 03:38 PM
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centralala
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Fine by me, FW has a bunch of $, they should do something besides buy property with it. They took a lot of property off the tax rolls in Jackson Co. Tax payers have to make it up. That's the exact reason given in the article about the bill by a guy from Coosa Co. I know so little about FW that its not possible to form an opinion.
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Re: Forever Wild.
[Re: centralala]
#2097900
04/25/17 03:42 PM
04/25/17 03:42 PM
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Clem
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The Legislature is just trying to find ways to get its hands on the smidge of money from the offshore gas/oil lease that voters approved to use to purchase land for public use.
Just another way to tax the public without adding a tax they'll be more blasted for, like on gas or something else.
Maybe the state parks should pay taxes, too, and the DCNR for its WMA land leases.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
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Re: Forever Wild.
[Re: centralala]
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04/25/17 03:47 PM
04/25/17 03:47 PM
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jawbone
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FW is a trust that the money grubbing legislators can't get their hands on directly so they are trying to get it through the back door. If this money went to the county that lost the tax revenue it would be different but does anyone think that once the state gets it they are going to distribute it to the counties? If you do I know a Nigerian prince that needs to hide his money in the US before his evil uncle takes it.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Forever Wild.
[Re: centralala]
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04/25/17 04:36 PM
04/25/17 04:36 PM
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Clem
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Perhaps the Legislature should tax the U.S. gubbermint for all the national forest lands here, too. Maybe the U.S. Corps of Engineers for taking up space on the rivers with ramps and such.
Lot of taxable possibilities, y'know.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Forever Wild.
[Re: centralala]
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04/25/17 05:01 PM
04/25/17 05:01 PM
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Clem
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Maybe the Legislature could create a new version of the Civilian Conservation Corps to build public-use facilities on the Forever Wild tracts, pay them with Forever Wild money and THEN they could tax the New CCC workers to get it!
Work AND taxes!
Damn, I need to get into th' Legislature. When's that Midterm 'lection?
Last edited by Clem; 04/25/17 05:02 PM.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Forever Wild.
[Re: Clem]
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04/26/17 01:59 AM
04/26/17 01:59 AM
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Maybe the Legislature could create a new version of the Civilian Conservation Corps to build public-use facilities on the Forever Wild tracts, pay them with Forever Wild money and THEN they could tax the New CCC workers to get it!
Work AND taxes!
Damn, I need to get into th' Legislature. When's that Midterm 'lection? Every time The press starts screaming people can't get jobs it would be nice to hear a legislator mention the CCC. Every time the press starts screaming about the delapidated infrastructure at state and national parks it would be nice to hear a legislator mention the CCC. Every time a president starts screaming about a wall it would be nice ...
"Arguing on the internet is like playing chess with a pigeon. You may be good at chess, but the pigeon is just going to knock all the pieces down, take a crap on the table, and strut around like its victorious."--Anonymous
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Re: Forever Wild.
[Re: centralala]
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04/26/17 04:27 AM
04/26/17 04:27 AM
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The latest assault on FW is a slippery slope for the State. State property has been exempted from payment of ad valorem taxes since the beginning of statehood. If FW is an exception, why not all State owned land? The state would go bankrupt in a year.
Clay county needs to look at the revenue generated by FW properties and realize they are looking a gift horse in the mouth. Hunting, fishing, bird watching, hiking, etc., all generate money in lodging, transportation, services, and retail. There is not much else attracting people to Clay county.
And, the Federal government does reimburse the State of Alabama for lost ad valorem taxes under the LWCF, the reauthorization of which public land opponents have fought in recent years. Why? Because the same people who are telling us the counties are losing money from the tax exemption want you to believe the federal public lands are bad too. It is typical manipulation of public perception to reach a special interest's financial goals, the best interests of the People be damned.
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Re: Forever Wild.
[Re: centralala]
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04/26/17 06:42 AM
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Forever Wild is about the only state level program in Alabama functioning in an appropriate fashion. This must be stopped or we might move up from the 49th state on whatever the latest scale is.
Last edited by CatHeadBiscuit; 04/26/17 06:42 AM.
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Re: Forever Wild.
[Re: centralala]
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04/26/17 04:15 PM
04/26/17 04:15 PM
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slippinlipjr
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Clay County has some of the best gold prospecting in the state. I've never understood why more folks there haven't opened up more land to that recreation yet. There's the Alabama Gold Camp and that is it. It would be awesome to see forever Wild buy some property there along one of the bigger creeks just for that purpose. A lot of folks would gladly pay for a prospecting permit and it would draw more folks to the county. And no telling how many of em would have to pay a possession of alcohol ticket.
I love forever wild properties. I know a few of the state lands officers and biologist that oversee them. They are good folks. I like to hunt public property for the pure challenge of it. Forever wild has been a godsend to public hunting. Without it, I'm sure one deer would cost me $2,000 or more instead of $300.
When they buy a property, they don't just purchase the land, they have to set aside the the funds necessary to take care of that land also. This idea of taxing Forever Wild is plain BS. Seems to me like it is just plain jealousy because one program this state has actually works. If it passes, it will mean a halt to buying property for the foreseeable future and I can't abide by that. Don't piss me off.
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Re: Forever Wild.
[Re: slippinlipjr]
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04/26/17 04:25 PM
04/26/17 04:25 PM
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2Dogs
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When they buy a property, they don't just purchase the land, they have to set aside the the funds necessary to take care of that land also.
Don't think so, at least not from FW funds, they can only buy with it. That's another problem in Jackson County, tens of thousands of acres of barely managed land.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Forever Wild.
[Re: centralala]
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04/26/17 04:35 PM
04/26/17 04:35 PM
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jawbone
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Some others on here can attest to this fact when I say it, but some of what was once among the finest hunting land in Dallas County (Calloway Plantation) is now Forever Wild land. I don't hear of many people taking advantage of it however. If I wanted to hunt this area and didn't have access to private land, I sure be looking into it. Kudos for a good program for hunters. Don't need our money hungry politicians messing with it.
That's a strong hint for you guys looking for some good public hunting land.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Forever Wild.
[Re: Clem]
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04/27/17 08:49 AM
04/27/17 08:49 AM
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William
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The Legislature is just trying to find ways to get its hands on the smidge of money from the offshore gas/oil lease that voters approved to use to purchase land for public use.
Just another way to tax the public without adding a tax they'll be more blasted for, like on gas or something else.
Maybe the state parks should pay taxes, too, and the DCNR for its WMA land leases. All of this right here. Property tax suck BTW. We are all just serfs to the state.
"The misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing... compared to the misery of not being exploited at all."
Joan Robinson
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Re: Forever Wild.
[Re: centralala]
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04/27/17 09:39 AM
04/27/17 09:39 AM
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Posts: 36,369 alabama
BhamFred
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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money grubbing asshat politicians just trying to steal more money to squander on useless shitt, screw em. Leave FW money alone.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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