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Re: Baiting now Legal?
[Re: Slingshot]
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03/01/17 04:31 AM
03/01/17 04:31 AM
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Remington270
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Here is another scenario for you. Club has 35 fields and lets say 20 members (number of fields and members irrelevant). 11 members pay the $15 corn fee and 9 don't because they disagree with it. The 11 members with "corn hunting" on their tag put feeders in every field and all the high traffic areas in the woods. Now the 9 members without the permit are restricted to hunting only the places that the other 11 didnt put out corn. Easy solution. Clubs will have to be "corn" clubs or "no corn". If you don't like the rules, don't join that club.
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Re: Baiting now Legal?
[Re: pcamper]
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03/01/17 04:32 AM
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BhamFred
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The commissioner, or the CAB, will promulgate(makeup) regulations to clarify the "rules" under the new law..if it passes.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Baiting now Legal?
[Re: BhamFred]
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03/01/17 04:33 AM
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Remington270
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Sounds like a fundraiser to me. If the money from feeder permits goes to pay for more GW’s or something of that nature….would you guys be ok with it then? it won't I promise. Even if it did, all money is fungible. That means they'd just take the money currently used for something, take it away, and add this back in its place. All money is interchangeable, that's why earmarks like that would be stupid. They'll still get the money where they want it to go.
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Re: Baiting now Legal?
[Re: BruteX]
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03/01/17 04:44 AM
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Preach! The dept could use the funds, and wardens could use the time to focus on other offenses like trespassing and poaching. Pay the $15 and shut your pie holes. The DNR is broke as it is. Baiting needs to be legal and along with it, more antler restrictions and a shorter rifle season. I swear some folks will cry about everything
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Re: Baiting now Legal?
[Re: pcamper]
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03/01/17 04:45 AM
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ya'll do realize it is just another TAX????
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Baiting now Legal?
[Re: BhamFred]
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03/01/17 05:04 AM
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ya'll do realize it is just another TAX???? No, they don't.
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Re: Baiting now Legal?
[Re: pcamper]
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03/01/17 05:09 AM
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Not all government is bad. Some entity has to ensure herd management and ensure herd survival. It's our job to elect people who will be good stewards with the responsibility they have.
"We'll the first man comes along that can read Latin is welcome to rob us,...I'd like the chance to shoot at an educated man once in my life" Gus McCrae
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Re: Baiting now Legal?
[Re: BhamFred]
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03/01/17 05:15 AM
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CNC
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ya'll do realize it is just another TAX???? I’ve been hearing for years that the DCNR was underfunded and that we needed to raise the cost of a hunting license …..is this not true?
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Baiting now Legal?
[Re: hunterbuck]
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03/01/17 05:16 AM
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Well, here's how it worked in Florida...
Let's say your hunting club is 3500 acres, with 20 members. Before the baiting law came into effect, everyone hunted the entire club...first come, first served.
Baiting law is legalized. People put out feeders in "secret" spots, with plans to hunt them opening morning. Come opening morning, they get to the club, and their "secret" spot is already signed out...ie, someone has found the feeder and plans to hunt it. The fight ensues. A miserable hunting season for all club members is endured...lots of fighting over "my" spot.
After season is over, club management develops a plan to avoid the same problems the next season. The club is broken up into "sections". Each member is given 2 small "private" sections in which they run their own private feeders. Members are only allowed to hunt their private section and club food plots. Some club members are overjoyed with their sections, some are just ok with theirs, and the other club members know they got the shaft. All members end up watching at the same two feeders all season long, year after year.
Kids getting into hunting go from learning how to scout...finding food sources, identifying travel patterns, searching for scrape and rub lines, etc...to learning how to open a bag of corn, pour it into a feeder, and making sure the battery is fresh.
^^^^^^^^^THIS is what hunting in Alabama will look like in 5 years. Mark my words. Grew up doing it in Louisiana and it's the only way that hunting clubs will work once feeding is legalized entirely.
Ya'll are just overthinking it now
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Re: Baiting now Legal?
[Re: BruteX]
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03/01/17 05:19 AM
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Pay the $15 and shut your pie holes. The DNR is broke as it is. Baiting needs to be legal and along with it, more antler restrictions and a shorter rifle season. I swear some folks will cry about everything I disagree with everything you think we "need". Baiting does not promote more deer, healthier deer or even hold deer. There's no sound reasoning for legal baiting. There's no practical way to measure or count antler points in most wooded areas, making antler restrictions totally impractical. We have a buck limit and that's sufficient if its enforced. And likewise there's no sound reason to support a shorter season either.
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Re: Baiting now Legal?
[Re: BhamFred]
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03/01/17 05:20 AM
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ya'll do realize it is just another TAX???? It is for sure. It's no different than FL hitting us for a hunting license which you cant legally hunt with until you buy the following: $5 Archery Permit $5 Deer Permit $5 Turkey Permit $5 Muzzleloader Permit
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Re: Baiting now Legal?
[Re: hunterbuck]
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03/01/17 05:24 AM
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auburn17
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Well, here's how it worked in Florida...
Let's say your hunting club is 3500 acres, with 20 members. Before the baiting law came into effect, everyone hunted the entire club...first come, first served.
Baiting law is legalized. People put out feeders in "secret" spots, with plans to hunt them opening morning. Come opening morning, they get to the club, and their "secret" spot is already signed out...ie, someone has found the feeder and plans to hunt it. The fight ensues. A miserable hunting season for all club members is endured...lots of fighting over "my" spot.
After season is over, club management develops a plan to avoid the same problems the next season. The club is broken up into "sections". Each member is given 2 small "private" sections in which they run their own private feeders. Members are only allowed to hunt their private section and club food plots. Some club members are overjoyed with their sections, some are just ok with theirs, and the other club members know they got the shaft. All members end up watching at the same two feeders all season long, year after year.
Kids getting into hunting go from learning how to scout...finding food sources, identifying travel patterns, searching for scrape and rub lines, etc...to learning how to open a bag of corn, pour it into a feeder, and making sure the battery is fresh.
Some FL clubs do it this way, but your higher end clubs do it a little better. Each member gets 1 private section during bow season and 1 private section for ALL season gun and bow. Then the club puts feeders on plots and random stands in the woods which are all first come first serve. Club buys all corn for these feeders. It's not terrible since it opens up many club stands for you to hunt in addition to your private section. The way I have always done it is leave my private section alone until the rut and conditions are perfect. Hunt club stands any other time
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Re: Baiting now Legal?
[Re: Out back]
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03/01/17 05:28 AM
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hunterbuck
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Pay the $15 and shut your pie holes. The DNR is broke as it is. Baiting needs to be legal and along with it, more antler restrictions and a shorter rifle season. I swear some folks will cry about everything I disagree with everything you think we "need". Baiting does not promote more deer, healthier deer or even hold deer. There's no sound reasoning for legal baiting. There's no practical way to measure or count antler points in most wooded areas, making antler restrictions totally impractical. We have a buck limit and that's sufficient if its enforced. And likewise there's no sound reason to support a shorter season either. Yeah, legalizing baiting, but shortening the season to "sustain the herd" sounds like competing idologies to me.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
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Re: Baiting now Legal?
[Re: 3FFarms]
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03/01/17 05:35 AM
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^^^^^^^^^THIS is what hunting in Alabama will look like in 5 years. Mark my words.
We’re already there more than most folks realize. I don’t think the DCNR realized to what extent they had opened the flood gates until they started flying around in planes last year. The use of feeders has exploded over the last couple years.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Baiting now Legal?
[Re: BhamFred]
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03/01/17 05:38 AM
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Last I checked I didn't have an option to pay taxes. It appears only those that hunt over corn will be charged. Probably a moot point anyways. I doubt It passes. ya'll do realize it is just another TAX????
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Re: Baiting now Legal?
[Re: pcamper]
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03/01/17 05:40 AM
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You can fly from Prattville to Clanton, in a small plane during deer season, and the ground looks like a yellow brick road.
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Re: Baiting now Legal?
[Re: burbank]
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03/01/17 05:49 AM
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Probably a moot point anyways. I doubt It passes. They don’t really have a choice at this point. It’s either legalize it or wage all out war on writing tickets. I think they know what kind of backlash would come with that. The cat is out of the bag and it would literally be like trying to herd cats to ever get it back in there. That’s the conundrum they’re now facing. Is that really what the DCNR wants to put at the top of their agenda….a war on corn?? If they don't legalize it then that's what they're facing.
Last edited by CNC; 03/01/17 05:50 AM.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Baiting now Legal?
[Re: Clem]
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03/01/17 05:56 AM
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Unreal. A $15 permit to pour out corn to shoot a deer, and people are approving of this new government regulation and fee.
Conservatives scream about less government, fewer fees, fewer taxes and yet won't bat an eye about this and even will support it.
Just unreal. And coming from a GOP-administration and GOP Legislature. What a bunch of f'king hypocrites.
All of this.
"The misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing... compared to the misery of not being exploited at all."
Joan Robinson
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Re: Baiting now Legal?
[Re: Out back]
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03/01/17 05:59 AM
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Pay the $15 and shut your pie holes. The DNR is broke as it is. Baiting needs to be legal and along with it, more antler restrictions and a shorter rifle season. I swear some folks will cry about everything I disagree with everything you think we "need". Baiting does not promote more deer, healthier deer or even hold deer. There's no sound reasoning for legal baiting. There's no practical way to measure or count antler points in most wooded areas, making antler restrictions totally impractical. We have a buck limit and that's sufficient if its enforced. And likewise there's no sound reason to support a shorter season either. Ok Helpy Helperton.
"We'll the first man comes along that can read Latin is welcome to rob us,...I'd like the chance to shoot at an educated man once in my life" Gus McCrae
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