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Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: hunterbuck] #1947205
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Originally Posted By: hunterbuck
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10 years ago you could hunt all season on our place and maybe no see a deer. We went with a strict zero doe policy. Even with tons of coyote and bobcat we have seen a huge increase in numbers. I see at least 10 every time I sit in the woods. We should now be able to shoot the occasional doe for the freezer, but I'm not the club president and don't make the rules. Laying off on the does for a while has certainly seemed to help our population though.


That's a great individual club policy, but most folks here want it to control what their neighbors do.
Yes, I'm one of those people. We all share the same deer heard though different property lines. People have proven throughout history that they can't show self control. We always have to wipe out a population. I'm in favor of a tag system.

I fish a lot in Louisiana and I worry that these guys bringing in literally coolers full of fish every day to "limit out" are going to decimate that fishery.

Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: MC21] #1947208
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Are all of ya'll Hillary lovin liberals that need the government to tell you not to shoot does and force me to have to get permits so that I can? Are all the people on here that complain about Game Check the same ones that want the government to regulate doe harvest? Liberal wimps learn trigger control! gun

Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: MC21] #1947216
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Why not just set the rules for your property for the results you want? I guess that method doesn't control your neighbors well enough. Everybody will get there wishes soon enough, I'm sure.

Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: MC21] #1947231
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Too many people want to make sure they control everyone else.The problem is that you think your neighbor is killing your deer. I've got news for you. They ain't your deer!

Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: R_H_Clark] #1947233
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Originally Posted By: R_H_Clark
Too many people want to make sure they control everyone else.The problem is that you think your neighbor is killing your deer. I've got news for you. They ain't your deer!


+1000


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Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: R_H_Clark] #1947267
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Originally Posted By: R_H_Clark
Too many people want to make sure they control everyone else.The problem is that you think your neighbor is killing your deer. I've got news for you. They ain't your deer!


Bullschit they are when they're inside the big pen laugh


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Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: 257wbymag] #1947277
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Originally Posted By: 257wbymag
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Too many people want to make sure they control everyone else.The problem is that you think your neighbor is killing your deer. I've got news for you. They ain't your deer!


Bullschit they are when they're inside the big pen laugh


No, those deer are free range therefor can go anywhere they want...inside the pen! grin

Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: 257wbymag] #1947278
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That's not realistic. People can't self manage themselves. That's like saying we don't need a speed limit because everyone will just drive a safe speed.

The problem with no rules is that while one property might be ok and have lots of deer, another 2 miles away has got a pack of doe killing neighbors that shoot on sight.... so there are hardly any deer and that group can do nothing about it.

That's the reality of our current situation. I can assure you if you actually hunted a place where the neighbors sat on your property line and shot every deer they saw while you worked your rear off to try and have a nice place to hunt.... your opinion would change. Not the neighbors deer either.



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Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: hunterbuck] #1947290
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Originally Posted By: hunterbuck
Originally Posted By: R_H_Clark
Too many people want to make sure they control everyone else.The problem is that you think your neighbor is killing your deer. I've got news for you. They ain't your deer!


+1000

Here's my problem with that statement. I manage my 40 acres for deer and turkeys. Summer and winter plots, fertilize browse, burn and supplemental feed. I have a lot of smaller acreage neighbors too that do nothing but put out a feeder and will shoot whatever walks by. I'm doing my part and my property and population has dramatically increased. It doesn't take long for small land holders to wipe out a deer population if they all shoot 3-4 does a year. I have been in a club with 5,000 acres that had all but wiped out the deer on the property and several other people on here can vouch for that as well. It's not to control the ones who actually have self control and want to do what's best for the herd. But the ones who don't give a damn and kill everything that walks by need to be regulated.


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Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: MC21] #1947296
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We dont shoot many does in our club. Our internal rule is one per member.


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Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: Turkey_neck] #1947324
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Originally Posted By: Turkey_neck
Originally Posted By: hunterbuck
Originally Posted By: R_H_Clark
Too many people want to make sure they control everyone else.The problem is that you think your neighbor is killing your deer. I've got news for you. They ain't your deer!


+1000

Here's my problem with that statement. I manage my 40 acres for deer and turkeys. Summer and winter plots, fertilize browse, burn and supplemental feed. I have a lot of smaller acreage neighbors too that do nothing but put out a feeder and will shoot whatever walks by. I'm doing my part and my property and population has dramatically increased. It doesn't take long for small land holders to wipe out a deer population if they all shoot 3-4 does a year. I have been in a club with 5,000 acres that had all but wiped out the deer on the property and several other people on here can vouch for that as well. It's not to control the ones who actually have self control and want to do what's best for the herd. But the ones who don't give a damn and kill everything that walks by need to be regulated.


You manage 40 acres, now that's a helluva management you got goin there.


If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.

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Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: MC21] #1947327
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I'm one of the rare folks that want more deer, but don't want more government. We don't shoot any does on our place. I don't want more restrictions and don't want Game Check. I don't like more government in any form.

Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: MC21] #1947330
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The state does limit doe harvest , you can't kill all you want year around.



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Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: Reloader79] #1947331
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Originally Posted By: Reloader79

Originally Posted By: Turkey_neck
Originally Posted By: hunterbuck
Originally Posted By: R_H_Clark
Too many people want to make sure they control everyone else.The problem is that you think your neighbor is killing your deer. I've got news for you. They ain't your deer!


+1000

Here's my problem with that statement. I manage my 40 acres for deer and turkeys. Summer and winter plots, fertilize browse, burn and supplemental feed. I have a lot of smaller acreage neighbors too that do nothing but put out a feeder and will shoot whatever walks by. I'm doing my part and my property and population has dramatically increased. It doesn't take long for small land holders to wipe out a deer population if they all shoot 3-4 does a year. I have been in a club with 5,000 acres that had all but wiped out the deer on the property and several other people on here can vouch for that as well. It's not to control the ones who actually have self control and want to do what's best for the herd. But the ones who don't give a damn and kill everything that walks by need to be regulated.


You manage 40 acres, now that's a helluva management you got goin there.


I am pretty sure he owns that 40 acres. There is a tremendous amount can be done on small properties that can be productive. I have found sometimes hunting 40 acres by yourself can be better than hunting 1000 acres with 5 people. Also, people that own the property tend to spend more time and money to improve the health of the game within their limits. He will be more proud of a deer taken here. The bottom line is it's his, he's proud of that as he should be, and he can pass it on. Small properties are the future in Alabama and he will be ahead.

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Originally Posted By: Turkey_neck
Originally Posted By: hunterbuck
Originally Posted By: R_H_Clark
Too many people want to make sure they control everyone else.The problem is that you think your neighbor is killing your deer. I've got news for you. They ain't your deer!


+1000

Here's my problem with that statement. I manage my 40 acres for deer and turkeys. Summer and winter plots, fertilize browse, burn and supplemental feed. I have a lot of smaller acreage neighbors too that do nothing but put out a feeder and will shoot whatever walks by. I'm doing my part and my property and population has dramatically increased. It doesn't take long for small land holders to wipe out a deer population if they all shoot 3-4 does a year. I have been in a club with 5,000 acres that had all but wiped out the deer on the property and several other people on here can vouch for that as well. It's not to control the ones who actually have self control and want to do what's best for the herd. But the ones who don't give a damn and kill everything that walks by need to be regulated.


Yet, you want an entire statewide limit based on what your whole 40 acres contains? Got it.


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Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: centralala] #1947339
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Originally Posted By: centralala
Originally Posted By: Reloader79

Originally Posted By: Turkey_neck
Originally Posted By: hunterbuck
Originally Posted By: R_H_Clark
Too many people want to make sure they control everyone else.The problem is that you think your neighbor is killing your deer. I've got news for you. They ain't your deer!


+1000

Here's my problem with that statement. I manage my 40 acres for deer and turkeys. Summer and winter plots, fertilize browse, burn and supplemental feed. I have a lot of smaller acreage neighbors too that do nothing but put out a feeder and will shoot whatever walks by. I'm doing my part and my property and population has dramatically increased. It doesn't take long for small land holders to wipe out a deer population if they all shoot 3-4 does a year. I have been in a club with 5,000 acres that had all but wiped out the deer on the property and several other people on here can vouch for that as well. It's not to control the ones who actually have self control and want to do what's best for the herd. But the ones who don't give a damn and kill everything that walks by need to be regulated.


You manage 40 acres, now that's a helluva management you got goin there.


I am pretty sure he owns that 40 acres. There is a tremendous amount can be done on small properties that can be productive. I have found sometimes hunting 40 acres by yourself can be better than hunting 1000 acres with 5 people. Also, people that own the property tend to spend more time and money to improve the health of the game within their limits. He will be more proud of a deer taken here. The bottom line is it's his, he's proud of that as he should be, and he can pass it on. Small properties are the future in Alabama and he will be ahead.


I get all that, but you can't base an entire state's management program on what someone sees or doesn't see on their 40, or 80, or 120, etc acres.


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Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: MC21] #1947342
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I just like seeing deer when I hunt..I very rarely shoot does and if I do its usually only 1 during bow season if that and i don't worry about what the neighbors do.More regulations don't mean chit to the one already shooting everything that walks and killing 6-8 young bucks every season.

Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: hunterbuck] #1947345
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Originally Posted By: hunterbuck
Originally Posted By: centralala
Originally Posted By: Reloader79

Originally Posted By: Turkey_neck
Originally Posted By: hunterbuck
Originally Posted By: R_H_Clark
Too many people want to make sure they control everyone else.The problem is that you think your neighbor is killing your deer. I've got news for you. They ain't your deer!


+1000

Here's my problem with that statement. I manage my 40 acres for deer and turkeys. Summer and winter plots, fertilize browse, burn and supplemental feed. I have a lot of smaller acreage neighbors too that do nothing but put out a feeder and will shoot whatever walks by. I'm doing my part and my property and population has dramatically increased. It doesn't take long for small land holders to wipe out a deer population if they all shoot 3-4 does a year. I have been in a club with 5,000 acres that had all but wiped out the deer on the property and several other people on here can vouch for that as well. It's not to control the ones who actually have self control and want to do what's best for the herd. But the ones who don't give a damn and kill everything that walks by need to be regulated.


You manage 40 acres, now that's a helluva management you got goin there.


I am pretty sure he owns that 40 acres. There is a tremendous amount can be done on small properties that can be productive. I have found sometimes hunting 40 acres by yourself can be better than hunting 1000 acres with 5 people. Also, people that own the property tend to spend more time and money to improve the health of the game within their limits. He will be more proud of a deer taken here. The bottom line is it's his, he's proud of that as he should be, and he can pass it on. Small properties are the future in Alabama and he will be ahead.


I get all that, but you can't base an entire state's management program on what someone sees or doesn't see on their 40, or 80, or 120, etc acres.


My point was off subject. Wasn't about limits, I usually don't get into the limit discussions because there is no right or wrong answer. I'm just a big proponent of everyone owning their own land and getting full enjoyment from it regardless of acerage.

Re: if the state did limit doe harvest? [Re: MC21] #1947347
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I'll put my little 40 acre tract up against any larger property around me.


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I own a 40 and take care of it by burning , fertilizing , greenfields etc and if people would manage like small acrage owners they would be some happy hunters .
I have owned mine probably 14 years and never killed a doe off of it because i never seen many does at all , in those 14 years i have killed only 2 bucks 1 that i shouldnt have killed and then a very nice buck 2 years ago .
I would occasionally see a turkey during deer season then nothing during turkey season but 2 years ago i killed my 1st turkey there , so it takes time but i believe the reason my sightings have gone up is due a whole lot by the pride i have taken on my place and making the habitat better for wildlife .

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