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Re: Spinoff from BigT's Timber Cutting thread
[Re: Rebelman]
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12/06/16 04:10 PM
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We made a haul as_ run and moved and or flagged everything in the mapped area. We go down after they finish and found cutting well outside of the marked area or 20 yard fudge zone, one foot bridge and one Milleium ladder stand 200 yards outside demolished! Called the forester and left messages, no call returned. Sent emails with pictures, he finally replied, "we can't control trees when they fall"! This was what prompted my second question about the boundaries. I'd be livid if this happened, especially after having flagged-sprayed the boundary lines. As for controlling trees where they fall, isn't that the skill a good timber crew has that you're (in part) paying for? Seems like if possible they would want to cut trees to make the rest of the crew's work faster, more efficient and such.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
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Re: Spinoff from BigT's Timber Cutting thread
[Re: Clem]
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12/06/16 04:25 PM
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We made a haul as_ run and moved and or flagged everything in the mapped area. We go down after they finish and found cutting well outside of the marked area or 20 yard fudge zone, one foot bridge and one Milleium ladder stand 200 yards outside demolished! Called the forester and left messages, no call returned. Sent emails with pictures, he finally replied, "we can't control trees when they fall"! This was what prompted my second question about the boundaries. I'd be livid if this happened, especially after having flagged-sprayed the boundary lines. As for controlling trees where they fall, isn't that the skill a good timber crew has that you're (in part) paying for? Seems like if possible they would want to cut trees to make the rest of the crew's work faster, more efficient and such. I'm with rebelman, never heard of a fudge zone. You cut to the line. There is a line for a reason.
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Re: Spinoff from BigT's Timber Cutting thread
[Re: Clem]
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12/06/16 06:16 PM
12/06/16 06:16 PM
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Biggest problem we have is them leaving tops all in the secondary roads and littering.
"The Heavens declare the glory of God;and the firmament sheweth his handiwork" Pslam 19:1
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Re: Spinoff from BigT's Timber Cutting thread
[Re: RustyShackleford]
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12/07/16 01:32 AM
12/07/16 01:32 AM
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You would think the map and marker tape would have saved our stuff.....just cover your self and hold them accountable. The trash from the crews and the lack of accountability reminds me a lot of GC's! We made a haul as_ run and moved and or flagged everything in the mapped area. We go down after they finish and found cutting well outside of the marked area or 20 yard fudge zone, one foot bridge and one Milleium ladder stand 200 yards outside demolished! Called the forester and left messages, no call returned. Sent emails with pictures, he finally replied, "we can't control trees when they fall"! This was what prompted my second question about the boundaries. I'd be livid if this happened, especially after having flagged-sprayed the boundary lines. As for controlling trees where they fall, isn't that the skill a good timber crew has that you're (in part) paying for? Seems like if possible they would want to cut trees to make the rest of the crew's work faster, more efficient and such. I'm with rebelman, never heard of a fudge zone. You cut to the line. There is a line for a reason.
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Re: Spinoff from BigT's Timber Cutting thread
[Re: Clem]
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12/07/16 03:24 AM
12/07/16 03:24 AM
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We have a standard contract we go by. Everything from road conditions, to fires, to trash, what can be cut and not cut, etc. If it we have an easement to our property, they have to get their own, has always ended up being the same as ours but hopefully removes us from dealing with a problem on someone elses property. It is bidded out. They receive a copy of the contract well before the bid date. If they don't like it, don't bid.
As far as the 5 gal. buckets of hydraulic fluid, just fix your dang leaks. Today, probably to wet in some places they are cutting. Good day to fix equipment.
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Re: Spinoff from BigT's Timber Cutting thread
[Re: Clem]
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12/07/16 03:56 AM
12/07/16 03:56 AM
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Loggers don't care about your grasspatches, stands, cameras, shooting houses or anything else. All they wanna do is make a fortune off your property. Also they work holidays because they don't pay their men to be off nor do they give a chitt about their men, so while they are working holidays you are off on trying to hunt they are riding around on some wore out azz equipment trying to make a very few dollars to support themselves and family if they have any. And another thing look at what the owners drive and ride in and live in, and they claim no money is in logging, my azz.
Last edited by Reloader79; 12/07/16 04:01 AM.
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Re: Spinoff from BigT's Timber Cutting thread
[Re: Clem]
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12/07/16 03:59 AM
12/07/16 03:59 AM
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Thanks for your insights, ALDawg!
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Spinoff from BigT's Timber Cutting thread
[Re: Clem]
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12/07/16 04:06 AM
12/07/16 04:06 AM
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VT - did you own the land they were cutting? I've never been part of a contract that didn't say roads are to be returned to present condition. They usually do ok on the main roads, but firelanes and secondary roads are always gonna be messed up to some extent. Back in the 90s I could write most anything into a contact and people would still bid on it. Now, it is difficult to find anyone to cut my timber at all. Try to get a performance bond on a small tract and that will probably mean the timber doesn't get cut. Still, it they are cutting your land you can always fuss and complain and get some kinda results. Where I have the biggest problems is when loggers for someone else need to cross my property to cut a tract belonging to someone else. Loggers don't pay too much attention to the landowner; they don't pay any attention to someone who is not the landowner. I've often said I have a give and take relationship with one of the paper companies in my area - I give and they take. It's just part of the timber business. Might as well accept it.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: Spinoff from BigT's Timber Cutting thread
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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12/07/16 04:18 AM
12/07/16 04:18 AM
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Where I have the biggest problems is when loggers for someone else need to cross my property to cut a tract belonging to someone else. Loggers don't pay too much attention to the landowner; they don't pay any attention to someone who is not the landowner. They trespassed on you to get to someone else's property? And this is common? How the heck does this happen and nothing is done about it?
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Spinoff from BigT's Timber Cutting thread
[Re: Reloader79]
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12/07/16 05:02 AM
12/07/16 05:02 AM
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Loggers don't care about your grasspatches, stands, cameras, shooting houses or anything else. All they wanna do is make a fortune off your property. Also they work holidays because they don't pay their men to be off nor do they give a chitt about their men, so while they are working holidays you are off on trying to hunt they are riding around on some wore out azz equipment trying to make a very few dollars to support themselves and family if they have any. And another thing look at what the owners drive and ride in and live in, and they claim no money is in logging, my azz. Ouch !
"Why do you ask"?
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Re: Spinoff from BigT's Timber Cutting thread
[Re: Clem]
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12/07/16 05:27 AM
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I cannot stress enough that any business dealing should be handled in writing with very clear expectations...this includes temporary access. Keep in mind all persons "see" and remember specifics differently. In many occasions we have used video to document road conditions prior to using a road so that all parties can protect their interests. I'm sorry so many folks have such a bad opinion of our industry. I can't change that. But to address Reloader79's comments. We work holidays because we "have to" not because we want to. Being in the woods isn't a hobby it's my living. Believe me when I say I'd much rather be with my family or hunting If loggers were "making a fortune" I can assure you there would be no need to work weekends and holidays. Not real sure if I should have empathy for someone whose weekend or holiday hunt is disrupted because I have to be at work? But I do because I know how important it is to most of use on this board including myself. Most individuals couldn't sleep at night if they carried as much debt to run their business as loggers do. There's no guaranteed pay check. If you don't produce you don't get paid and you don't get forgiveness for that 7 figure debt. Those nice trucks you see are a business expense. Not quite the same as a personal vehicle. Most of the folks I know will buy a nice truck because they have customers who ride with them AND it's not unusual to put 60K work miles on a vehicle. All professions have bad apples that spoil the bunch. And the reality is money is the key driver. If the money was easy to come by many of the things that people have problems with wouldn't happen.
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Re: Spinoff from BigT's Timber Cutting thread
[Re: Clem]
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12/07/16 05:35 AM
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Video is a good idea. Great tip.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Spinoff from BigT's Timber Cutting thread
[Re: 2Dogs]
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12/07/16 05:39 AM
12/07/16 05:39 AM
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Loggers don't care about your grasspatches, stands, cameras, shooting houses or anything else. All they wanna do is make a fortune off your property. Also they work holidays because they don't pay their men to be off nor do they give a chitt about their men, so while they are working holidays you are off on trying to hunt they are riding around on some wore out azz equipment trying to make a very few dollars to support themselves and family if they have any. And another thing look at what the owners drive and ride in and live in, and they claim no money is in logging, my azz. Ouch ! Lord help. Loggers are like farmers. They have to work when Mother Nature allows them to work.
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Re: Spinoff from BigT's Timber Cutting thread
[Re: Clem]
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12/07/16 05:41 AM
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Money drives everything ALDog. I know lots of loggers and owners of logging companies and I know how they operate and pay. It's all a big tax write off in the end game. If there wasn't big dollars in it then how do they afford the 200-300k pieces of equipment? and million dollar homes, boats, side by sides , you name it and some of them got it. You may pull the wool over some folks eyes but not me ole buddy. And they expect the poor folks working for them to work from daylight to dark with minimum pay and 0 benefits or holidays.
If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.
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