i got a survey a couple months ago. And every question was about how much money i spent while hunting and fishing. Like how much i spent on gas,food, clothing , i mean everything. Probably like 50 questions. All the state wants to know is how much they can make, and who they can make the most from. That is there number one objective. The betterment of the herd is down further on the list. Thats the kind of data they wont to collect.

I was on the game check stuff and thought this was pretty cool to know so far. Almost 1000 deer harvested the first week.

https://game.dcnr.alabama.gov/Report/State/Deer

Killed. Deer are killed, not harvested.

Ok smarty pants, explain this!

Thank you for a direct answer. That helps me understand a little better the points of view of other hunters. I am really ignorant of the DCNR politics down in Monkeytown. As an adult, i've never worked for any business where it was trying to make a profit. Always in public education. So, my mind doesn't always go to thinking profits first. I've always heard people say, "follow the money and you'll soon find where the corruption lies". I guess here's another instance where that could be true.

If you go county statistics it will show public or private land kill.

Yes on your question. Obamacare sound familiar, Certificate of Needs laws sound familiar? You name it all are created by bureaucrats/politicians that don't have a clue, but have a self important view of themselves that are more than willing to force their view/experiment on everyone else and penalize them when they don't comply. I believe Chuck Sykes is one of them that likes the forced compliance part all in the name of science mind you, lol!!

I don't love or hate it, its just part of life like paying taxes. I'd rather not do it, but if it helps the state manage our herd better, and no i don't no how it does, then i'm ok with it.

Don't matter either way to me.

Been doing it for years in several states so I'm used to it. Takes 5 minutes

But don't you think the new attitude is just because the director now has a much different attitude than the director then? I've always thought the data they had was plenty good for setting seasons and bag limits, and what else does the state need to do anyway? I think the director from 20 years ago understood that, and the director today does not. I don't know if the science involved in random sampling is just over his head or he is trashing the old system because he has another agenda. I really don't know which it is, but its gotta be one or the other.

One good thing about GC - there won't be any need for the state to keep all those biologists on staff. All they will need now is one guy to analyze the data and make the recommendations to the CAB. The rest of them can be sent to the field as GWs.

But let me guess, you're ok with a burn ban during a drought, regulations on water obstruction or pollution, riding in the left hand lane, etc.

Most people only use the big government card, when it's a regulation they don't like....

Here is how I see it. everyone in Alabama is used to a free for all, liberal hunting season, where they can kill the chit out of deer for long periods of time. Over the past few years that has changed some and is still changing. The ones who support the changes are typically trophy minded, or simply more concerned with the quality of experience than pulling the trigger. The faction that is against these changes, are either used to being able to pull the trigger a ton and don't want any interference, or they think it's a conspiracy.

Serious question. If the voluntary sampling is used, how do you apply that to specific areas? More specifically, from the numbers I've seen in the past, it seemed as if certain counties could very well only have a handful of "results". So should Alabama be managed completely on a statewide basis? Or should it be managed on a more regional basis, since we have such a varied deer herd?

I agree that a survey can provide good enough information to throw a blanket on the whole state. I'm simply of the opinion that Marshall county can't withstand the same amount of killing as Dallas county. Which is what I hope game check is leading to. It would be immensely useful if the plan is to break the state down into smaller areas. Otherwise, it's not that useful unless the whole state has a die off.

+1

I am all for more harvest data which will, hopefully, be used for improved management. But I will be calling in, not using the app ("Pocket Ranger" or whatever it is called now).

I have never seen an app which required so many permissions. Why does it need permission to access my camera, bluetooth, files, location, call logs, etc...? Even if the State's intentions are pure (lol), the app is a hacker's dream come true.

>>>Serious question. If the voluntary sampling is used, how do you apply that to specific areas? More specifically, from the numbers I've seen in the past, it seemed as if certain counties could very well only have a handful of "results". So should Alabama be managed completely on a statewide basis? Or should it be managed on a more regional basis, since we have such a varied deer herd?

I agree that a survey can provide good enough information to throw a blanket on the whole state. I'm simply of the opinion that Marshall county can't withstand the same amount of killing as Dallas county. Which is what I hope game check is leading to. It would be immensely useful if the plan is to break the state down into smaller areas. Otherwise, it's not that useful unless the whole state has a die off.<<<

Those are good points, and I have made them myself on here. GC does have the potential to provide better local data, and I hope it will be used appropriately. But they really didn't need more data to know that the decline of the deer herd in many parts of the state is due to the 2 doe a day policy the state implemented. Unless they change that the deer herd will remain low.

I must have missed all the requests for multiple permissions with the app. I don't recall seeing those when I downloaded it, or for the Georgia or Florida apps. There were one or two, one of them being Location Services, but I dismissed those.

I believe they are using droids

Good try, but I am for self responsibility, being a good steward and believe that the government trying to micro manage from 30,000 feet is NEVER a good idea. By the way the quality of the experience does not boil down to the number of deer, the size of deer seen or killed. If that is the only reason to get outdoors and hunt then one should re-access their hobby interest.

Yes, Android. May be different for iPhone.

So you do not support the regulations I mentioned?