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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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08/08/16 10:56 AM
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CNC, blumsden, 270wsm, swamper, all you guys who have tried this.....do any of you have any experience starting out with a fescue base? I'm involved with a new project this year that has a huge amount of plot acreage available, but almost all of it has a strong stand of fescue. There are ag crops on the farm, so traditionally, there's been very little planting of fall plots. The fescue along all the roads and potential plot sites has been bush hogged annually to make it look better for the lanowner. There has been no bush hogging as of yet this year. I'd like to incorporate some fall or perennial plots, just wondering how much of a battle I'll have with the fescue if we try the throw and mow method. Let me know if yall have any ideas. Thanks, CD.
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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08/08/16 12:50 PM
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That part is understood. I'm talking about the desired seed making it to soil contact and the recurrence of the fescue from its own seed. I agree with Turkey_neck....I think it'll likely work just fine with a fall cereal grain mix if you get a good kill on the fescue. I've seen people use all kinds of stuff for thatch now and pretty much anything that will make good "hay" seems to work. You may want to go ahead and spray now in case you need to do a follow up spraying in a few weeks or at planting time. Is there a really thick mat of dead grass currently on top of the soil surface?
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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08/08/16 05:00 PM
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I plan to go look it over good tomorrow, CNC. I'll let you know. Good deal.....It may be worth planting a really small test area in a few weeks just to see what happens. It'll be a little early for normal planting but it'll give you a little idea of what to expect and maybe what you need to tweak before time to plant the larger areas.
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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08/08/16 05:05 PM
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Ok, thinking of going this route this year. First year with this property. Only areas I have to plant are sides of roads. Soil looks fairly rocky, however, there is decent grass/weeds growing.
How should I start(what seed to try) and what results are expected (I assume maybe not much the first year)?
Let me make sure I understand, throw seed and fert out and the bush hog. Is it really that simple? Cereal rye would be your best option but if you don't want to use that then go with one of the blends of wheat, oats, rye, clover.....try to time it with a rain event if possible. Results in the first year will depend on your soil conditions and how much thatch you have to cover your seed. You're correct that most folks will have better stands as their soil improves. Good luck. If you have any questions along the way, feel free to post them up. Take some pics as well. We all love some pics.  What seeding rate?
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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08/08/16 05:40 PM
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I use 100 lbs/ac for cereal grains.
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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08/10/16 04:54 AM
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The first turnips are already shooting up. They ought to really start popping up over the next couple of days if this rain pans out. So far we havent gotten much. What Im curious to see is if the deer will eat the tender young greens here late in the summer when a lot of other stuff is hardened off and tough. I want to see if I can go ahead and start drawing them back in a little ahead of my fall planting for a little of nothing ($$$)..Just a fun experiment. ![[Linked Image]](http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad51/kowalsky_2010/a53_zps2ep4pwna.jpg)
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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08/17/16 11:08 AM
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CNC.... I'm going to throw and mow this season and have a good thatch for covering the seeds. I have one spot that was created by loggers this summer that is about a 1/3 of an acre of dirt. It was there log landing I got the bark and rocks off but have nothing to for thatch. I thought of running the drag over it to soften the top a little and going with small seed-clover,rape,greens and maybe rye. Would hauling a couple of rotten round bales and spreading over it be worth the effort or just see what happens.
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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08/17/16 02:29 PM
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CNC.... I'm going to throw and mow this season and have a good thatch for covering the seeds. I have one spot that was created by loggers this summer that is about a 1/3 of an acre of dirt. It was there log landing I got the bark and rocks off but have nothing to for thatch. I thought of running the drag over it to soften the top a little and going with small seed-clover,rape,greens and maybe rye. Would hauling a couple of rotten round bales and spreading over it be worth the effort or just see what happens. If it's been used recently as a logging landing then I'd probably go ahead and break it up again here in the beginning. Once you have it planted though, if you've got an old round bale of hay then it'd be a good idea to scatter it over the top of the seed. If you have enough of hay to make to coatings, then it wouldn't hurt to disk in a little of it. It's likely you've got some pretty good compaction after all the logging equipment.
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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08/20/16 01:20 PM
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Well after putting down some milorganite the deer let most of the peas in this field grow some. The milo is starting to head and the peas are putting on pods now. Mid-late September won't be nothing left but stems and milo then time to do fall plots. I may have to lightly disc this fall cause the army worms won't leave this field alone. [img:center]http:// ![[Linked Image]](http://i1361.photobucket.com/albums/r675/turkeyneck82/67EAD483-A99F-41CD-99C0-2948D37BEFD0_zps9gpaln5d.jpg) [/img]
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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08/21/16 09:09 AM
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I'm starting to see a few of the little basturds in my field too turkey_neck. I've never had an issue with them in the past so we'll plant at the normal time and hope for the best. I don't know how well the turnips I planted are about to do though. They're coming up good but I'm seeing a little minor bug damage on them already.
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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08/27/16 02:29 PM
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Checked my T&M fields today. One has been rooted up by hogs so I'll probably be disking that one this year. I cut the other two fields three weeks ago and the grass hasn't come back like I thought it would. Wishing I hadn't cut them now. I'm in the same boat bambam....My field is bouncing back some but it's not going to be like I hoped. I'm pretty sure I'm going to still have too much biomass on the soil surface too, even though it does look to be degrading pretty well. On a positive note....the thatch should be pretty crunchy and brittle by then. What I'll likely do is spread seed....then take about half the bite out of my disks and pull over the field just enough to fluff that thatch back up and mix it with the seed. I hope my damn disks still work. I left a test strip on one side of the field that didn't get mowed to see what it would have looked like. It's probably gone work best to just not do any mowing during the summer like we did and let the field just do its thing. I terminated a lot of my broadleafs by mowing too low and that really has the field off from what I'm needing. The turnips are filling in those areas but they'll never be enough to make thatch like I need I don't believe. We'll see, still almost a month before I'll plant. I need to take some pics and post.
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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08/27/16 04:58 PM
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The grass in my fields is about waist high where the army worms haven't been. I should have enough thatch in most of the fields but we will see. I do have some bare areas.
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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08/27/16 05:07 PM
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Checked my T&M fields today. One has been rooted up by hogs so I'll probably be disking that one this year. I cut the other two fields three weeks ago and the grass hasn't come back like I thought it would. Wishing I hadn't cut them now. I'm in the same boat bambam....My field is bouncing back some but it's not going to be like I hoped. I'm pretty sure I'm going to still have too much biomass on the soil surface too, even though it does look to be degrading pretty well. On a positive note....the thatch should be pretty crunchy and brittle by then. What I'll likely do is spread seed....then take about half the bite out of my disks and pull over the field just enough to fluff that thatch back up and mix it with the seed. I hope my damn disks still work. I left a test strip on one side of the field that didn't get mowed to see what it would have looked like. It's probably gone work best to just not do any mowing during the summer like we did and let the field just do its thing. I terminated a lot of my broadleafs by mowing too low and that really has the field off from what I'm needing. The turnips are filling in those areas but they'll never be enough to make thatch like I need I don't believe. We'll see, still almost a month before I'll plant. I need to take some pics and post. When I was cutting my fields three weeks ago I noticed that the grass had a head on it. Looks like I terminated it so lesson learned. Next year I will cut in May after the wheat has died and let it run until I plant in the fall. I did pull back some of the dried thatch and there was a lot of moisture underneath. Like you,I will probably broadcast and then fluff it up with the disk. My brother knows some guys who spray, broadcast and then disk it with the gangs straight. They have had a lot of success with this approach. The same concept but with a little soil disturbance.
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