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Re: ATV riding Skyline WMA- Cave Springs
[Re: turkey247]
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07/28/16 08:27 AM
07/28/16 08:27 AM
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I don't see any reason that they should be allowed there to begin with. If you kill a deer, drag it to the road. That's been the rule on Coosa for years - no Atv riders any time for any reason. One year they put up signs and that was the end of Atv riding. I've never understood why it was so different at Skyline. You two have never been to Skyline/Martin I see, at least not out of sight of the public road. Makes no difference. There's 100's of public hunting areas across the US with as bad or worse terrain, that don't allow ATV's. You buy a game cart or quarter the meat and pack out. You are trying to justify the open ended ATV rule in the name of terrain. I'm against the ATV army as much as anybody. But I know they are figuring out how to get by a loose rule - and have a passion for their annoying hobby as much as we do for peaceful hunting experiences. I'm just stating the facts of the meeting, and not trying to justify a damn thing . I haven't hunted on the place in 25 years . I do know if I did , I wouldn't want 86 UTVs coming by me in one long train like one fellow said happened to him. Read my quote to ridge stalker , please. BTW , I do know where to go kill a deer or two on Skyline, bring yer cart and I'll draw you a map.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: ATV riding Skyline WMA- Cave Springs
[Re: gbee]
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07/28/16 08:54 AM
07/28/16 08:54 AM
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I spent the last 3 seasons pretty focusing my hunting on Skyline WMA and I've seen the problem first hand.
3 years ago I spent most of my time hunting within a short distance of Hwy 79, particularly in the Walls of Jericho and Bear Den Hollow areas. There was no real issue with ATV/UTV traffic over there as they aren't allowed there except to retrieve an animal.
2 years ago I spent most of my time in the Little Coon and Smalligan's Steep areas. ATV/UTV traffic was beginning to be a real problem then and it was irritating to say the least.
This last season I joined a hunting club in Little Coon and spent almost all of my time hunting the Little Coon and the Cave Springs areas. The problem quickly got out of hand. CR-54, the main entrance into lower Little Coon looked like a gay pride parade. The air was constantly filled with the sound of hoards of groups of recreational ATV/UTV riders. If I was lucky enough to even see a deer I knew I had to act really fast because it wouldn't be long before the next entourage of joy riders came through and messed everything up.
Now I'm gonna be the first to support a tax payers right to use land paid for out of his own pocket but that is not the case here. Every single penny spent on acquiring, managing, and maintaining the WMA comes from hunter's license fees, FW funds, and WMA use fees. The joy riders have no basis from which to complain. The fact is that unless they paid for a WMA permit or hunting license, they contributed nothing at all.
When Chuck Sykes said the he went on a 4-5 hour ATV ride with WMA staff and observed the problem first hand all I could think to say was "Thank You". At the recent Jackson County meeting I sat within 10 feet of him ... I saw his expressions and body language and I can tell you that this man is pissed off over the situation. I am convinced that he is comitted to finding a workable solution that will work best for the HUNTERS and that he feels no pain for the joy riders. He may not get it right this season but he is working on it, he is wanting input from the Skyline WMA hunting community, and I am convinced that he is not going to stop working the issue until the phones stop ringing.
The best thing any of us can do is to report the joyriders (take pictures, record events, report what you see) and give him feedback on how his policies are working out. In this particular issue he is solidly on our side.
I don't want to pass quietly into the night. I want to slide in sideways kickin and screamin Life really is awesome ... Soak it up while you can ...
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Re: ATV riding Skyline WMA- Cave Springs
[Re: gbee]
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07/28/16 10:00 AM
07/28/16 10:00 AM
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I'm only playing Devil's advocate here so don't jump on me:
WMAs, national forest lands and other kind of similar lands are called, billed as, promoted as and used as "public" lands. Yes, there are some restrictions and/or prohibitions on some throughout the U.S. and here in our state. But the overriding promotion of these lands by the states (or feds) is they are open to "the public" for recreation. Even the crazy Rainbow Family used national forest land here in Bama for their love-weed-wild camping gathering several years ago.
So to completely ban one segment entirely on wide, open lands such as Skyline WMA or Coosa WMA or let's for example say X-Y-Z type boats on Delta WMA would close it to a segment of the public. Further, saying "this land is specifically for hunting and you can't play" would-could open the door even further to backlash and possible lawsuit or other action.
No? How can the DCNR balance "no ATVs, period" (if it did that) on public land and justify it?
"It's noisy to hunters." Ah, well, tough chit.
"It's noisy and bothers wildlife." Possibly. I'd argue for this in summer for sure after deer and turkeys have bred, and other wildlife.
"You don't need to be riding on ..." Doesn't fly. You said it's public land, not "public land only for these folks but not you."
"We have complaints about them." Almost every segment of something gets complaints. Bowfishermen are hated but not banned on public waters (some, not all).
"ATVs create erosion, damage watersheds, harm the creeks and aquatic life." Viable, with proof.
Again, just playing Devil's Advocate. If I was a diehard ATV rider and Skyline's vast acreage with good roads was my favorite enjoyable place, and I was banned only because Harry Deer Hunter is boo-hooing, I'd raise 40 kinds of hell.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: ATV riding Skyline WMA- Cave Springs
[Re: gbee]
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07/28/16 11:34 AM
07/28/16 11:34 AM
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Tn has a permit that you have to buy to joy ride on the wma... You either have to have a valid hunting license and wma license or this permit which cost the same as the other two license combined. It is alot worse in turkey season than deer season.
"The Heavens declare the glory of God;and the firmament sheweth his handiwork" Pslam 19:1
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Re: ATV riding Skyline WMA- Cave Springs
[Re: 2Dogs]
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07/28/16 11:43 AM
07/28/16 11:43 AM
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I don't see any reason that they should be allowed there to begin with. If you kill a deer, drag it to the road. That's been the rule on Coosa for years - no Atv riders any time for any reason. One year they put up signs and that was the end of Atv riding. I've never understood why it was so different at Skyline. You two have never been to Skyline/Martin I see, at least not out of sight of the public road. Ive been there plenty of times. The mountains are a little bigger than Bankhead but im not allowed to use a atv to haul one out of there so why should they be allowed to in Jackson County?
I had much rather be tried by twelve than carried to my grave by six!!!!
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Re: ATV riding Skyline WMA- Cave Springs
[Re: Clem]
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07/28/16 12:03 PM
07/28/16 12:03 PM
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I'm only playing Devil's advocate here so don't jump on me:
WMAs, national forest lands and other kind of similar lands are called, billed as, promoted as and used as "public" lands. Yes, there are some restrictions and/or prohibitions on some throughout the U.S. and here in our state. But the overriding promotion of these lands by the states (or feds) is they are open to "the public" for recreation. Even the crazy Rainbow Family used national forest land here in Bama for their love-weed-wild camping gathering several years ago.
So to completely ban one segment entirely on wide, open lands such as Skyline WMA or Coosa WMA or let's for example say X-Y-Z type boats on Delta WMA would close it to a segment of the public. Further, saying "this land is specifically for hunting and you can't play" would-could open the door even further to backlash and possible lawsuit or other action.
No? How can the DCNR balance "no ATVs, period" (if it did that) on public land and justify it?
"It's noisy to hunters." Ah, well, tough chit.
"It's noisy and bothers wildlife." Possibly. I'd argue for this in summer for sure after deer and turkeys have bred, and other wildlife.
"You don't need to be riding on ..." Doesn't fly. You said it's public land, not "public land only for these folks but not you."
"We have complaints about them." Almost every segment of something gets complaints. Bowfishermen are hated but not banned on public waters (some, not all).
"ATVs create erosion, damage watersheds, harm the creeks and aquatic life." Viable, with proof.
Again, just playing Devil's Advocate. If I was a diehard ATV rider and Skyline's vast acreage with good roads was my favorite enjoyable place, and I was banned only because Harry Deer Hunter is boo-hooing, I'd raise 40 kinds of hell.
I'll answer your question with a question....can you deer hunt at the old State Cattle Ranch that Forever Wild bought?
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: ATV riding Skyline WMA- Cave Springs
[Re: MTeague]
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07/28/16 12:27 PM
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I don't see any reason that they should be allowed there to begin with. If you kill a deer, drag it to the road. That's been the rule on Coosa for years - no Atv riders any time for any reason. One year they put up signs and that was the end of Atv riding. I've never understood why it was so different at Skyline. You two have never been to Skyline/Martin I see, at least not out of sight of the public road. Ive been there plenty of times. The mountains are a little bigger than Bankhead but im not allowed to use a atv to haul one out of there so why should they be allowed to in Jackson County? I do not know and do not care.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: ATV riding Skyline WMA- Cave Springs
[Re: N2TRKYS]
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07/28/16 12:31 PM
07/28/16 12:31 PM
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I'll answer your question with a question....can you deer hunt at the old State Cattle Ranch that Forever Wild bought?
Dunno. The only folks I ever heard about hunting deer at the SCW were muckety-muck insiders with special access way back in the day.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: ATV riding Skyline WMA- Cave Springs
[Re: garyo]
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07/29/16 03:00 AM
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it seems like some hunters don't want us with a hitch in our get along to use the W.M.A. roads. some of us need a atv.could the gw drive us in & out. I hear you and that's another topic for another day. But it's very common for public hunting ground to prohibit ATV's. Like Nighthunter previously mentioned - there's NF lands with restricted roads and walk in only places. It's the only way to keep out nonsense.
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Re: ATV riding Skyline WMA- Cave Springs
[Re: turkey247]
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07/29/16 03:08 AM
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it seems like some hunters don't want us with a hitch in our get along to use the W.M.A. roads. some of us need a atv.could the gw drive us in & out. I hear you and that's another topic for another day. But it's very common for public hunting ground to prohibit ATV's. Like Nighthunter previously mentioned - there's NF lands with restricted roads and walk in only places. It's the only way to keep out nonsense. Hell, just about all of Cahaba WMA is walk-in only. Every damn gate on the place stays closed.
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Re: ATV riding Skyline WMA- Cave Springs
[Re: gbee]
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07/29/16 03:26 AM
07/29/16 03:26 AM
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Like I wrote above, Walls of Jericho in Skyline is walk in only. That doesn't keep it from being overrun with hunters on the side next to 79. There is some really good hunting on Little Cumberland mountain but you have to walk down 900 ft into the valley and then back up Little Cumberland another 900 ft. Getting a deer out without an ATV pretty much requires you quarter it up and pack it out.
I don't want to pass quietly into the night. I want to slide in sideways kickin and screamin Life really is awesome ... Soak it up while you can ...
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