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Re: Hog population data [Re: ElkHunter] #1726798
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I have all that info, But I'm driving and I'd better wait to post it all, And by the way, That's real numbers, We don't cut the pregnant Sow open and count the pigs in our total as do the "professional" trappers smile smile smile

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Re: Hog population data [Re: donbradford] #1726800
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Originally Posted by donbradford
I have all that info, But I'm driving and I'd better wait to post it all, And by the way, That's real numbers, We don't cut the pregnant Sow open and count the pigs in our total as do the "professional" trappers smile smile smile


I know you are just jabbing with that. But, if you want that total, I can provide it as well. lol lol lol


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Re: Hog population data [Re: jwal] #1726883
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Originally Posted by jwal
Question for you ElkHunter.

If you were getting paid to trap hogs strictly on a per head basis ( let's say $20 per head), what percentage of land in Alabama would you be willing to trap on given the opportunity?


My turn,

What is the minimum size property you can hunt hogs with dogs and keep your dogs on that property?


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Re: Hog population data [Re: ElkHunter] #1726918
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I don't recall you answering my question to you. However, your question to me is a good one. There are quite a few variables involved. Some of them include which dogs I decide to take, how I pair the up the dogs I decide to turn loose, and of course the location of the hunt. In certain locations the hogs have the Eurasian influence ( believe it or not) and that certainly has to be taken into consideration.

Re: Hog population data [Re: ElkHunter] #1726924
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Barry, for someone who does not want to be a jerk, and does not mean to argue......

You sure are and do!

Re: Hog population data [Re: ElkHunter] #1726983
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Danny, if you live in a glass house, it is best not to throw rocks. I dang sure will throw them back.


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Re: Hog population data [Re: ElkHunter] #1726986
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Originally Posted by ElkHunter
You can't make it profitable and effective at $20 per hog unless you are trapping with crappy traps in your own back yard and cheating on your taxes.


jwal, This was my answer.


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Re: Hog population data [Re: jwal] #1726989
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Originally Posted by jwal
I don't recall you answering my question to you. However, your question to me is a good one. There are quite a few variables involved. Some of them include which dogs I decide to take, how I pair the up the dogs I decide to turn loose, and of course the location of the hunt. In certain locations the hogs have the Eurasian influence ( believe it or not) and that certainly has to be taken into consideration.


I am not asking for the average or something like that. Just what is the minimum acreage you think you could keep your dogs on?


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Re: Hog population data [Re: ElkHunter] #1727007
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As an average sportsman I just ask that you please don't eradicate hogs completely. I love to have the opportunity to hunt wild hogs. We've had them for 30 plus years in our area of around inverness at the Conecuh river and yes they have had a noticeable infusion of Eurasian bloodline in the last 10 years. Is it coincidence that there appears to be a new bloodline in the herd and that we are bordered by a large hunting lodge ....who knows??

Perhaps our soils are different (sandy loam) but land damage is negligible and the opportunity to harvest a pig FAR OUTWEIGHS any minimal rooting damage that is just washed back level after a good rain. After a couple of 100 years in this state at what time is a pig considered native. Its kind of iffy at best to call it non-native. Once again we find it a positive for the pigs to eat the water moccasins. That's a decrease in biodiversity which we are ok with.

Re: Hog population data [Re: ElkHunter] #1727015
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10 acres. Dog owners now have the ability to know where their dogs are at all times. Land lines as well as property owners names can now be downloaded onto tracking systems. The tracking collars and receivers now have the ability to shock as well as track, so dogs can be stopped whenever necessary. So I can slip up on one side of a 10 acre tract and park and hunt the other nine acres without the dogs ever crossing a property line.

Was that the answer you expected?

Re: Hog population data [Re: Hogwild] #1727016
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Originally Posted by Hogwild
Barry, for someone who does not want to be a jerk, and does not mean to argue......

You sure are and do!


I started this thread asking a simple question about 3 states that are side by side and in the same ballpark size wise with VERY different estimates as to their feral hog population. That in NO WAY had any argument in it at all. It took you 1 post to interject your agenda. $$$$$$$

The FACT is many hunters (notice I did not say hog doggers) have caught moved and released hogs for their own benefit and enjoyment and then later complain because they can't get access to properties to hunt the hogs. Tough. Don't get ticked at me for it. (And I don't care what the statute of limitations is.)



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Re: Hog population data [Re: jwal] #1727018
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Now answer a question for me. Do you require a landowner have a minimum acreage before you trap his property?

Re: Hog population data [Re: ElkHunter] #1727020
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Originally Posted by ElkHunter
Danny, if you live in a glass house, it is best not to throw rocks. I dang sure will throw them back.


I have NO idea how I let you sucker me back into your childish games.
But, your answer on the monetary aspect is proof positive of what I have always said.....this whole endeavor, including your inflammatory post, accusatory remarks and self-righteous attitude are all driven far more by personal greed and desire for financial gains than any desire to eradicate hogs......including your recent attack on Recreational Hunting.
So, you just keep on being you and I will keep on enjoying my Hunting and being forced to fight for my Right to do so.

And, fwiw, I have NO problem with access to hunting property. And, I do not rely on scams and fast talk to acquire, and keep, it.
As a matter of fact, we both know that it was YOU who used to call ME looking for properties with hogs. And, I was gullible enough to lead you to some good ones. You're Welcome.

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Re: Hog population data [Re: ElkHunter] #1727022
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Expected? Yes.

I talk to a LOT of landowners/farmers that have had hog doggers work their properties for YEARS. Many say the same thing, "They turn the dogs out and that don't stop until they are XXX miles away". And many of these have farms over 1,000 acres in size.

SO, in theory you might be able to keep your dog ON 10 acres. That does not mean you could catch the hog on that 10 acres.



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Re: Hog population data [Re: ElkHunter] #1727033
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I answered the question as asked.
So what is the minimun acreage you will agree to trap on?

Re: Hog population data [Re: ElkHunter] #1727043
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The two smallest I have trapped have been about 120 acres with me catching 29 in about 3 months and about 200 acres catching 34 in about 6 months.

But, to answer the question, I will trap a place as small as a half acre.


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Re: Hog population data [Re: jwal] #1727047
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Originally Posted by jwal
I answered the question as asked.
So what is the minimun acreage you will agree to trap on?


Yes you did. Thank you.


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Re: Hog population data [Re: ElkHunter] #1727051
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I could see where an adjoining landowner might be upset about you trapping on a property that small.

Re: Hog population data [Re: ElkHunter] #1727057
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Maybe so, but he/she would just have to understand that I will do whatever I legally can do to protect my property.


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Re: Hog population data [Re: Hogwild] #1727064
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Originally Posted by Hogwild
Originally Posted by ElkHunter
Danny, if you live in a glass house, it is best not to throw rocks. I dang sure will throw them back.


I have NO idea how I let you sucker me back into your childish games.
But, your answer on the monetary aspect is proof positive of what I have always said.....this whole endeavor, including your inflammatory post, accusatory remarks and self-righteous attitude are all driven far more by personal greed and desire for financial gains than any desire to eradicate hogs......including your recent attack on Recreational Hunting.
So, you just keep on being you and I will keep on enjoying my Hunting and being forced to fight for my Right to do so.

And, fwiw, I have NO problem with access to hunting property. And, I do not rely on scams and fast talk to acquire, and keep, it.
As a matter of fact, we both know that it was YOU who used to call ME looking for properties with hogs. And, I was gullible enough to lead you to some good ones. You're Welcome.


Danny,

One minute I am going broke and then the next I am doing everything for financial gain. You have never heard one of my clients express that about me. Many times I service their properties whether I have clients or not. At not charge.

And I have not attacked recreational hunting. That is simply your perception. I did express an opinion on those that have caught and transported pigs and released them for personal benefit or gain. That was in no way an attack on Recreational Hunting. So, take your agenda elsewhere and leave me alone.


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