I am not doing this Danny. I am tired of ya'll asking me questions about my business and turning my responses into accusations of me trying to argue.

I will try to simplify.

Hernando de Soto started this whole thing.

Next, the slaves who moved to Hal's Lake took with them some hogs and they got loose but didn't stray too far.

in Danny's neck of the woods, the statute of limitations has expired on the guys who moved those hogs as it has on DeSoto and the slaves.

There is Russian blood in South Alabama..excuse me Eurasian.

Without knowing where you hunt Elk man I think I can reasonably assume you are on a large piece of property with good food in some area of the black belt (45 coyotes tip off).
You did good to get 225. But if you got 225 then just how many do think are still there? And I am sure you know that as long as there is lots of quality food, cover and not too much pressure that the hogs will only be pressured out only to return at a later date.

IMHO..two cents worth....the larger the area with parcels of large landowners with quality habitat...large say being 2 sections and up...in close proximity and/or adjacent.....
The more sustainable the hog population is because there just can't be enough pressure put on them to do any good.
In South Alabama this would be most of the areas south of highway 80 down the Tombigbee and Alabama River drainage.
On the reverse of that areas on the fringes of where I just mentioned which have smaller parcels and more pressure per parcel do better with keeping the population from exploding.

Carry on...I tried to simplify but the issue is a bit complex...and I have to guard my estancia from the sapsucking hogs!

Point blank.........

You are living in the past on your speculations on what caused the expansion of feral hogs. And, accordingly, you are about 15 years late!
Also, you state your opinions as 'fact' and try to belittle anyone with any different perspective. However, you have NO scientific data to back your stance up. Only your speculations.
You started this thread to try and promote an agenda and/or force an argument.....one that you cannot win since it is all based on opinion.
Lastly, ANY time that you have to preface a statement by saying that you are not being a jerk and then later referring to people as jackasses......YOU may be a jerk!

So your saying All the Hogs that was relocated in the past were caught with Dogs and were relocated so the dog hunters would have more places to hunt???

I think that It was more hogs trapped and sold to landowners, Hunting clubs and pens to be hunted with guns and bows ( ( For sport and Money) as it was dog hunters trying to expand their hunting areas.

But as always, You want to blame the Dog hunter for All the problems, Hell, I didn't think that you could catch enough hogs with dogs to cause a problem

I know for a FACT that certain "Buyers" preferred "Trapped" hogs over dog caught hogs because of Ear damage caused by the dogs.

I guess us dog hunters should thank those sorry A$$ Trappers, If not for Them we would still only have a few isolated Spots to hunt..

Danny, did you even look at the 2014 map? How do you explain the pockets of pigs showing up all across the nation?

Look back at the beginning of this thread. Your first post started the argument. $$$$$$ remember.

I NEVER said hog doggers were solely to blame. There is no doubt that folks trapped hogs and moved them. I NEVER HAVE!

But, even though they were trapped, they were still moved to increase sport hunting. No doubt some was done by hog doggers and some by folks wanting to make money off of them such as outfitters and some landowners.

But, many landowners and farmers have been harmed in this desire to increase hunting opportunities. I am simply trying to correct some of the prior wrongs and help landowners and farmers that don't want the uninvited pests.

I am so glad you are a mind reader. I started this thread to have a good friendly conversation about pig populations. And as usual, it turns into another fuss.

So, you can all back off of your attack.

And I am still waiting on ya'll to tell me who the guy is that is making catching pigs at $20 per pig profitable.

Hypothetical. Look that word up. So what would it take per hog for you to turn a profit: $75, $100, $200? I think if I could get $20 per hog, I could pay all my expenses and have a few dollars left over.

Recreational hunters are responsible for long distance movements of hogs, whether it be hog doggers, stalk hunters, etc. It doesn't matter to me either way. I definitely think those responsible should also be responsible for any and all damages to other property and the expenses federal and state governments spend to get rid of them. If you have not been responsible for the translocation of hogs then don't get fired up about a personal attack. Bottom line is everyone is scrambling to control a widespread problem because of the actions of those who thought it would be a good idea to have them. Despite it being unlawful in nearly every state it is also terrible selfish and inconsiderate.

And for the record $20/hog wouldn't touch the expenses of trapping, much less leave anything for profit. If you don't believe me then start up a trapping program and tell me how well you make it at $20/hog.

After mileage wear and tear on equipment material .Time invested in putting traps together. Making sure you keep feed in them. And going back to the Trap to clean out after the catch 20 $$$ a head will not even touch it.

I agree with you that its very costly to the landowner to try and control / eradicate their Hogs with TRAPS.
It is a lot more cost efficient to the landowners to have their hogs controlled or eradicated with the help of Hogdog hunters than with Trappers, That's for sure

So, Matt and Barry.......

Are you two in agreement that people who were involved in any activity of moving feral hogs are personally liable for damages. should not be allowed to have a say-so in their control and definitely not be allowed to hunt them??

I'll go ahead and say it. If you (not directly talking to you, just anyone) are responsible for translocating hogs from one property to another you should be charged with a criminal act and be ordered to pay for any damages you directly or indirectly caused by the transport of said hogs. It's that simple.

And to add I wish said offender was revoked license privileges for at least 5 years.

I guess the more important question from me is you believe these people should NOT be liable or responsible for their actions? If so then I honestly don't know how to respond to that. I guess I won't.

Ask your boss.

Remember, he and I are near the same age, grew up in the same area and both shared a love of the Outdoors. And, we have both had a lot more years experience in this than most.

Times change, Ideas change and people change.

When you place yourself on a pedestal, there is always a risk of falling.
It is best to stay level and learn.

I haven't talked to Chuck about this issue "yet", but I feel pretty confident he's in agreement that hogs being taken from one property and put somewhere else is something that should never take place, and never should have in the past. I know he's hog hunted, as have I. Don't try to trick me into saying something negative about someone I respect and work for. I don't know about yours or his past, but I'm sure, just like myself, that things happened in earlier years that shouldn't have.

No pedestals here Danny. I learn every day. I've also learned that hogs are a real threat to landowners, their property, their income, wildlife, water quality, human health and livestock health. Not sure how that places me on pedestal.

It seems to me anytime someone disagrees with your opinions on any hog related issue you begin the attacks. Just an observation. You like to hunt hogs. I get that. You want to continue to hunt hogs. I get that. I agree it's fun. I also won't lose any sleep if every last one if them fell over dead before daybreak.

I have no disrespect for Chuck.
And, there is no 'trick' involved here.

However, by YOUR stance, you have disqualified a LOT of people from all walks of Life the Right to have any Say-So, or hunting privileges, in this entire matter.

Remember, I said you guys are about 15 yrs late in all the finger-pointing and Regulations. He and I are in full agreement on that.

And, for whatever the reason, the focus in the entire matter is far too much on what happened in the Past than what is happening now and will happen in the future.

What have you construed as an attack?

My disagreeing with Barry?
The very guy who opened this thread by pointing out that he thought much of the data and numbers presented by several States was wrong.....and then wants to use that same data and ask me to look at it to prove a different point later.....really?

LOL

I agree people change. If everything I've done in my past caught up to me simultaneously I reckon I could disqualify myself!

I don't think this topic is an issue of the past. It's still an ongoing problem with real consequences to real people and their property, that I would like to see resolved.

We are trying to be proactive and look into the future of hog damage control, and hopefully eradication in some areas. Obviously eradication is not feasible everywhere, but I've seen hogs showing up in places recently that haven't had hogs at any time in the last few generations of living people, and you and I both know how they got there. Hogs don't disperse naturally very far when resources are plentiful.