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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: Clem] #1652588
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Originally Posted by Clem

There is no biological reason -- only emotion -- to protect a piebald or albino. If anything, they should be removed from the population. States that have laws protecting these deer are clear examples of societal passion/emotion overruling biology.

It's incredible how many hunters will lose their minds about not shooting "little bucks" or will shoot something "to get the genetics out" and have little understanding about genetics but will protect a deer only because it looks cool.


This pretty much sums it up.


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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1652589
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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1652591
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Clem beat me to it. There is zero reason to protect this deer. It's a genetic deformity. It could have been passed down as a rare recessive gene from the parents or it could be a genetic mutation. Either way, there's a chance that it could get passed on to more offspring. It is also possible that a doe like this could have completely normal fawns. There is also the chance that she has nothing but discolored fawns that never survive because they lack the natural camouflage that they were intended to have.

Fred is right too. You can't impact the herd genetics by killing this one deer. But if it was caused by a mutation, you could keep it from spreading in this scenario. There is evidence of white deer being protected leading to a greater abundance of them.


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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1652595
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There was a 140 ish 10 pt killed up this way years ago with almost the exact same coloration.


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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: 2Dogs] #1652608
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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Nope.

If you saw her as a fawn, you'd know her exact age, it would be cool to let her live and watch her for her life span. She'd be easy to identify , might glean some knowledge from watching her.


We've got a doe with white on her lower side behind the front leg and in front of the back leg. I have pictures of her beginning in 2010 and she looks grown in that pic. I have pics of her most years on a mineral lick. End of August 2015 she showed up at a mineral lick with twin fawns. First pic ever with fawns. I laid eyes on her for the first time ever back in December with those fawns on a green field after dark. We have one green field that our 4 wheeler road goes straight through. I may have seen her when I jumped her or a glance but never identified her in the last 5 years she has been there. To my knowledge no hunter has ever reported seeing her. That has shown me that you don't always see all the deer on a piece of property.

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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1652621
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Let her walk, there are other deer in the woods to kill. With that being said if I only had one or two days a year to hunt like some people and she stepped out she would be drt.


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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: TR] #1652636
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No way that I would shoot a deer that was that identifiable. I'm more of a watcher than a shooter these days and it would be fun to keep up with her activities.
I have a young doe with a lot of white on her belly up her side enough to be distinguishable. I had pictures of her last year as a fawn and saw her this year on a green field near my house. No way I'll shoot her

Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1652644
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So you guys who won't shoot a piebald, if this was a mature buck of 4.5 years old or older with the same or worse coloration-coat mutation but also with a gnarly rack you looked at and went "Whew, that's bad." ... you'd let it walk?



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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1652660
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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1652661
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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1652666
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Let it walk
Hopefully it will produce one like this[Linked Image][/URL][/img]

Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1652676
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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: Clem] #1652680
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Originally Posted by Clem

So you guys who won't shoot a piebald, if this was a mature buck of 4.5 years old or older with the same or worse coloration-coat mutation but also with a gnarly rack you looked at and went "Whew, that's bad." ... you'd let it walk?



Stop it! Just stop it!! laugh


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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: Clem] #1652682
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Originally Posted by Clem

So you guys who won't shoot a piebald, if this was a mature buck of 4.5 years old or older with the same or worse coloration-coat mutation but also with a gnarly rack you looked at and went "Whew, that's bad." ... you'd let it walk?



If it was a 5 1/2 yr old or older buck I'd probably shoot it or get my wife or grandson to shoot it

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Originally Posted by Clem

So you guys who won't shoot a piebald, if this was a mature buck of 4.5 years old or older with the same or worse coloration-coat mutation but also with a gnarly rack you looked at and went "Whew, that's bad." ... you'd let it walk?



Nope, I'd shoot it. Hunting is about memories to me. I'd rather watch that doe grow up and see how she "lived life". I like shooting mature bucks, no matter the head gear. If he got to 4.5, he's now punched his ticket to the show. There are plenty of does where I hunt that I wouldn't have to shoot a distinct one like this "just for meat."

With that said, I have NO PROBLEM with anyone else choosing to shoot it if that's what makes them happy.


Originally Posted by CNC
Ya'll are just overthinking it now

Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1652698
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I would not shoot it. I need all the baby makers I can come by these days.....


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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1652754
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Over the years I have acquired a taste for dark meat. Probably let her walk.


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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1652772
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So some people will kill little baby bucks but wont shoot this doe just because she is piebald?

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Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: CNC] #1652776
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I wouldn't shoot it and wouldn't even think about it. I've let a few like that walk, some were small bucks. I know of a club that had a white doe, not albino, they let walk for 4 years. It had no impact on their deer. I saw it with a fawn one afternoon in a pasture, and the fawn was a normal colored deer.

Now....... there are probably about 99 thousand hunters in Alabama that would kill it graveyard dead just to ride it around and show it to everybody.

Re: Would you shoot it or let it walk? [Re: Clem] #1652806
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Originally Posted by Clem

So you guys who won't shoot a piebald, if this was a mature buck of 4.5 years old or older with the same or worse coloration-coat mutation but also with a gnarly rack you looked at and went "Whew, that's bad." ... you'd let it walk?



Clem I'm shocked! I've killed a ton or more of 4.5 and older that weren't piebald with "gnarly racks" I'll dang sure shoot one that is.



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