OK so you got me, I wouldn't be in favor of changing the season very much and I wouldn't be for hunting at night simply because its unsafe. But other than that I wouldn't really give a crap how you killed them. Over a pile of corn, standing under a feeder or hell you could shoot them with their damn head in a feeding trough for all I care but once you have killed a doe and three MATURE bucks you are done. My only goal is to limit the quantity taken by some of the friggin meat killers and raise the quality taken by everyone. The all out slaughter of does and young immature bucks has got to slow down if there is going to be any hope of improving the quality of hunting in this state for everyone. Also the reason I would suggest a weight system for bucks is because maturity level is not necessarily the same thing a rack size. Not all mature bucks have a great rack and not all small bucks have a small rack. But there is no way of knowing if a buck is ever going to be great if you shoot his ass when he is a 2.5 year old, 140 lb. 4 point. Why is it too much to ask that everyone wait until a buck is at the very least 3.5 - 4.5 to shoot him? Most of the HUNTERS I know would let a 150 lb basket rack 8 point walk if they thought it stood a good chance to make it to next year but more often than not those deer get shot because the HUNTERS know that if they let it walk it is likely that some dipshit next door will shoot it.

I guess we will have to install scales in our food plots and have them walk across them before we shoot......

Young meat eats better

Hey, just make sure your bucks weigh 165 pounds.

This deer was 158 lbs.

Some of you guys are exactly the type of people that are causing all the calls for new regulations. It is your "kill anything" actions that result in regulations that you seem to hate so much. If you guys keep it up the rich "trophy hunters" are going to price you guys out of the game. Decent hunting land in this state is already going for $15 - $20 an acre on lease in some places and the lack of good neighbors is driving that price up every year. Many of these rich "trophy Hunters", when faced with shitty neighbors just buy out the lease of those neighbors and then that just serves to drive up the "going rate" the land owners can get away with charging. Meanwhile, you guys have the nerve to sit around and complain about how the rich guys are screwing it up, when at the end of the day it was your own irresponsible behavior that caused the whole problem in the first place.

Most of the decent clubs in this state have annual dues of $2000 - $5000. So if a guy pays those dues, buys guns, ammo, stands, apparel, game cameras and optics he's got thousands invested in a hunting season. Then add in the time he spends scouting and working to improve his land and the investment is huge. If he even get the impression that some guy next door is screwing up his opportunity to have a successful season, he and his fellow members are going spend whatever it takes to do away with that neighbor. And before you know it the only land left for the average guy is some crap hole land where you are lucky to see 5 or 6 deer a year. I personally blame all this on the guys who just can't seem to act right no matter what. Remember, there would be no need for the rich guys to push their politician friends for new regulations if they had no reason to think there was a problem.

Who said we were shooting young deer or "killing anything"?
listen up, the debate here isn't about whether we SHOULD shoot small deer or more/less does. The debate is about giving the state more ammo to tax you and me and the rest of the hunters in this state. The debate is about the state telling you, me and the rest of the hunters in the state HOW we are going to hunt. The debate is about the state telling you, me and the rest of the hunters in this state what THEY consider is the correct way to manage a herd.
Forgive me for being a self thinker who can call a biologist myself to get the information I need to manage MY land. I don't need anybody, including you, telling me what I should and should not be shooting.
I have not killed a 2.5 yr old buck in over 20yrs. In fact the last 3 bucks that I have killed have all been 4.5 yrs old or better and that has been over the last 5-7 yrs.
What I HAVE done is take 2-3 does each year in order to "fill my freezer" and I don't need you or anyone else to tell me how I should or should not have gone about that. In fact I believe I will shoot a fork horn this weekend just because I live in a free (for now) country and the law says that I can.
you honestly think that just because you are a "good" neighbor your land wont be leased out from under you? go and turn that piece of ground you got into a mega buck piece of ground and see how long it takes for the lease price to go up. If they want the land it doesn't matter if its bad neighbors or great ground, money talks and you are gonna lose it.

Who said we were shooting young deer or "killing anything"?
listen up, the debate here isn't about whether we SHOULD shoot small deer or more/less does. The debate is about giving the state more ammo to tax you and me and the rest of the hunters in this state. The debate is about the state telling you, me and the rest of the hunters in the state HOW we are going to hunt. The debate is about the state telling you, me and the rest of the hunters in this state what THEY consider is the correct way to manage a herd.
Forgive me for being a self thinker who can call a biologist myself to get the information I need to manage MY land. I don't need anybody, including you, telling me what I should and should not be shooting.
I have not killed a 2.5 yr old buck in over 20yrs. In fact the last 3 bucks that I have killed have all been 4.5 yrs old or better and that has been over the last 5-7 yrs.
What I HAVE done is take 2-3 does each year in order to "fill my freezer" and I don't need you or anyone else to tell me how I should or should not have gone about that. In fact I believe I will shoot a fork horn this weekend just because I live in a free (for now) country and the law says that I can.
you honestly think that just because you are a "good" neighbor your land wont be leased out from under you? go and turn that piece of ground you got into a mega buck piece of ground and see how long it takes for the lease price to go up. If they want the land it doesn't matter if its bad neighbors or great ground, money talks and you are gonna lose it.