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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR? [Re: yelkca280] #1627306
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All ways to generate money to hire more law enforcement and tools for the job. The State does a poor job of running department to make money. They are leaving huge amounts of money on the table by not selling individual stamps for the various seasons. When you go into a store and purchase goods you expect to pay for them because the store is a business. Why should running a state be any different. Its a business not a not for profit.


Wow. Seriously? You're advocating MORE taxation on the citizens?

Would not surprise me in the least to see this happen, though. It's a rampant method of revenue generation that more states are doing to pop their citizens.

As Skinny said, the more this happens then the more people who throw up their hands and walk away.


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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR? [Re: Clem] #1627311
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look i would love for it to be wide open and we could go buy a feeder and put it up and hunt but i dont see it happening that way !


Why not? Seriously, why not? A feeder is nothing more than an optional hunting tool or feeding mechanism (during the off-season).

Do farmers have to buy an annual decal for their hay bale holders or feeders? That's an optional thing for them. They could just toss the food or hay on the ground.

Your reasoning so far is illogical at best and liberal taxation at worst.
i hope we can get baiting legalized with no strings attached ! Maybe they will be happy in the sales tax revenue it will create ! But i dont think it will bc the state is in a pinch and they are looking to create revenue!


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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR? [Re: Clem] #1627313
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Good luck in your next legislative meeting discussing that.


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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR? [Re: Clem] #1627314
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I don't care what they do, tax, tag system, mandatory physical check in, yada yada yada. If they don't do something positive, I am done.
I have a lifetime license, and every time I look at it, I get pissed. Deer hunting in Alabama has become a JOKE. I know I don't have the best land to hunt, or the lowest pressured club, but it's better than some, but it's still a JOKE.
I've killed one deer over 140, and another really good 4yr old in the last 4 years on my lease, and I am still NOT HAPPY about the aspect of hunting in Alabama as it is now. This '' let the hunter kill what he wants '' mentality is a JOKE.
I know 100 people that deer hunt, and if I was a billionaire, I wouldn't trust 3 of them to make a rational decision on how to manage a piece of property I owned, so, '' OUR '' State, decides to just put in the hands of the bloodthirsty people who just like to kill and let them decide????? Good idea Alabama DCNR.

Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR? [Re: chevyman] #1627316
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The more annoying fee's and such that you have to pay the more folks are going to just quit fooling with it all together.
the moment you legalize baiting there will an increase in people getting into it
I don't know anyone that is not into it now.Supplemental feeding. rolleyes
we feed at our club but we dont hunt over it ! It would make a difference if i could have hunted over it and i know this bc my cameras were taking pictures of bucks in daylight hours.


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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR? [Re: MorningAir] #1627323
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This '' let the hunter kill what he wants '' mentality is a JOKE.


So you're in favor of imposing more regulations upon hunters, too?


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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR? [Re: Clem] #1627331
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Clem, I'm in favor of them doing something, anything to restore deer. I don't care what regulations they pass, as long as it creates MORE DEER. I am sick and tired of people killing does because they '' need some meat '', or '' that's all I'm seeing are does, so I shot one, or , '' I just wanted to kill one this year ''.

Complaining about regulations for the betterment of the state and every hunter is no different than saying ''well, I sure hope there's no welfare reform and I can keep paying a 39% tax bracket because, hell, I'm not on welfare so it's not bothering me ''?

Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR? [Re: Clem] #1627349
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Lot of people not seeing enough deer..Others have tons of deer..Taxidermists turning down business because they have too many trophys to mount for people..We have deer everywhere I look now days and in places we have not had deer in years..I see deer all the time and deer sign is everywhere..They are pretty good at not getting shot when they are hunted hard..That said I have no problem going back to doe days,but deer are showing up everywhere up here..Bucks and does.

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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR? [Re: Clem] #1627350
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If you walk into a business you expect it to be run like a business right?

If you walk into a church you expect it to be run like a church righ? Wrong! A church run like anything other than a business is or will be a museum. If you don't believe me look at the churches in Europe.

Why should the sate not run the department of wildlife and fisheries like a business. That what the hell it is. Other wise its a not for profit. A business must have profit to survive. So in the case of the state department they need to charge A NOMINAL FEE for doe tags, muzzleloader season, archery season, feeders, traps, special wma hunts. $5 and $10 stamps for these items is not going to break anyone. Yall spend what you want when you want on hunting related items, leases, processing, trucks, atvs the list goes on and on but you cant stand the thoughts of buying a stamp for muzzleloader season. If it cuts into you budget for smokes and natty light for the week so what. I hope we see all these fees and it makes people stay at home. That means more for me and the guys that don't mind change. Dinosaurs are dead! or so I thought.

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I am sick and tired of people killing does because they '' need some meat '', or '' that's all I'm seeing are does, so I shot one, or , '' I just wanted to kill one this year ''.


If you replace "does" in your statement with "spikes" or "small bucks" then you guys would flip your chit about them killing small bucks.

It's far easier to stop shooting does through voluntary decisions, reducing limits or imposing doe days (like back in the day) and education than by increasing fees hunters pay to do what they enjoy.

Right?

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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR? [Re: Clem] #1627358
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the indoctrination continues I see.
Does anybody know the meaning of Freedom any more?

If you want more deer then stop hunting them, increase their
habitat and decrease the predators on your land. Deer are a hardy creature, I assure you they will respond in a favorable way.
If that doesn't work for you then maybe "your" goals are not attainable for your area and you should find somewhere else. But if you want the state to do "anything" maybe they can get with LWMAJOR's rep and we can start taxing does when they shoot them. Maybe we can put a tax on mud holes while we are at it.

right when I think this place can't get any more liberal progressive BS dumped on it yall go and surprise me more.


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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR? [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #1627366
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I think some of you guys would only be happy if there were ZERO laws to govern the sport. I'm not a left wing liberal, socialist or a communist but without any laws at all it would be the wild west with no limits at all. The "if its brown its down" crowd would kill as many as they could and the resource would be destroyed for everyone. If there were no laws then there would be no outlaws. I think some of you guys are simply criminals and would rather legalize your criminal activities than face the facts of who you are and make a change.

If a guy invests his hard work, time and money into making his piece of property be as good as it can be and then happens to be next door to an asshole who feels it is his god given right to kill as many as he possibly can including does and bucks of any size/age with no limits, THAT IS BULLSHIT!!!!!! Our current system does almost nothing to stop or at least detour this type of person who has ZERO respect for either the resource or his neighbors.



I agree with you in general, but consider how far some states take it where strict regulations have been the norm for years. Here's a jewel I found in the Maine turkey hunting regulations:

>>>*Beginning in 2015, turkey hunters in WMDs 1-6 are assigned to either Season A or Season B based on their year of birth. During “odd” numbered calendar years such as 2015, hunters with “odd” birth years will be authorized to hunt during Season A (May 4-9, 2015 and May 18-23, 2015 this year); hunters with “even” birth years will be authorized to hunt during Season B (May 11-16, 2015 and May 25-30, 2015). All turkey hunters can hunt the last week (June 1-6, 2015).

During “even” numbered calendar years (2016, 2018, etc.), hunters with “even” birth years will be authorized to hunt during Season A; hunters with “odd” birth years will be authorized to hunt during Season B<<<<

Such nonsense as this eventually comes about when you start down the road of more and more regulations. And an important point about Maine turkey hunting is that a hunter can legally kill 2 gobblers and 2 more of either sex when you combine the fall and spring seasons. They could have a simple spring season like AL with a generous limit and kill the same number of turkeys, but govt doesn't want simple - it wants more and more regulations so that it appears to be more and more necessary.

Surely there is a middle ground between no regulation and excessive regulation? Oh wait, that's kinda what we had for the first 40 years of my hunting career. smile


What we have now is almost ZERO regulation. We have a reasonable buck limit put in place in hope of allowing at least some these damn bucks to make it past being more than 4 point, and an all out open season on the mothers of all the future bucks. So the only real regulation we have is a 3 buck limit and this is done essentially on the honor system. Our regulations are a joke and do nothing to protect the resource from the criminals.

Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR? [Re: yelkca280] #1627369
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Originally Posted by yelkca280
I hope we see all these fees and it makes people stay at home.


And with fewer hunters you will not have enough voting block to prevent the anti-hunters from taking away your right to hunt. Careful what you wish for.


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Originally Posted By: yelkca280
I hope we see all these fees and it makes people stay at home.


And when you have hunters walking away, and telling their sons and grandsons that hunting isn't worth it anymore in this state, you'll lose another group of hunters.

Before long these nominal fees you want for a MZ or bow or feeder won't be so nominal because fewer hunters will have to pay more.

Careful what you wish for, indeed.


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Originally Posted by MorningAir
I don't care what they do, tax, tag system, mandatory physical check in, yada yada yada. If they don't do something positive, I am done.
I have a lifetime license, and every time I look at it, I get pissed. Deer hunting in Alabama has become a JOKE. I know I don't have the best land to hunt, or the lowest pressured club, but it's better than some, but it's still a JOKE.
I've killed one deer over 140, and another really good 4yr old in the last 4 years on my lease, and I am still NOT HAPPY about the aspect of hunting in Alabama as it is now. This '' let the hunter kill what he wants '' mentality is a JOKE.
I know 100 people that deer hunt, and if I was a billionaire, I wouldn't trust 3 of them to make a rational decision on how to manage a piece of property I owned, so, '' OUR '' State, decides to just put in the hands of the bloodthirsty people who just like to kill and let them decide????? Good idea Alabama DCNR.


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Originally Posted by yelkca280
If you walk into a business you expect it to be run like a business right?

If you walk into a church you expect it to be run like a church righ? Wrong! A church run like anything other than a business is or will be a museum. If you don't believe me look at the churches in Europe.

Why should the sate not run the department of wildlife and fisheries like a business. That what the hell it is. Other wise its a not for profit. A business must have profit to survive. So in the case of the state department they need to charge A NOMINAL FEE for doe tags, muzzleloader season, archery season, feeders, traps, special wma hunts. $5 and $10 stamps for these items is not going to break anyone. Yall spend what you want when you want on hunting related items, leases, processing, trucks, atvs the list goes on and on but you cant stand the thoughts of buying a stamp for muzzleloader season. If it cuts into you budget for smokes and natty light for the week so what. I hope we see all these fees and it makes people stay at home. That means more for me and the guys that don't mind change. Dinosaurs are dead! or so I thought.
this is the most ridiculous post I have ever seen....do you really think like this?


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If it were up to me there would only be two deer hunting regulations:

1. Every licensed hunter gets one doe tag (something for the freezer)
2. 3 buck limit with No bucks under 165 lbs. - anyone caught harvesting a buck between 150 - 165 lbs. would face a small fine and anyone caught harvesting a buck less than 150 lbs would face a large fine and would loose their license for a year. Anyone caught transporting a deer without a state issued one time use tag would loose their license for life and face up to a year in jail.

I'm not for any new taxes or check in stations, just 2 reasonable regulations with harsh penalties. My regulations would be aimed at doing away with the blood thirsty KILLERS and protecting the resources for the HUNTERS.

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Originally Posted by SkiTar
If it were up to me there would only be two deer hunting regulations:

1. Every licensed hunter gets one doe tag (something for the freezer)
2. 3 buck limit with No bucks under 165 lbs. - anyone caught harvesting a buck between 150 - 165 lbs. would face a small fine and anyone caught harvesting a buck less than 150 lbs would face a large fine and would loose their license for a year. Anyone caught transporting a deer without a state issued one time use tag would loose their license for life and face up to a year in jail.

I'm not for any new taxes or check in stations, just 2 reasonable regulations with harsh penalties. My regulations would be aimed at doing away with the blood thirsty KILLERS and protecting the resources for the HUNTERS.
This is the second most ridiculous post I have ever seen!! what in the heck is wrong with you folks?


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Originally Posted by t123winters
Originally Posted by SkiTar
If it were up to me there would only be two deer hunting regulations:

1. Every licensed hunter gets one doe tag (something for the freezer)
2. 3 buck limit with No bucks under 165 lbs. - anyone caught harvesting a buck between 150 - 165 lbs. would face a small fine and anyone caught harvesting a buck less than 150 lbs would face a large fine and would loose their license for a year. Anyone caught transporting a deer without a state issued one time use tag would loose their license for life and face up to a year in jail.

I'm not for any new taxes or check in stations, just 2 reasonable regulations with harsh penalties. My regulations would be aimed at doing away with the blood thirsty KILLERS and protecting the resources for the HUNTERS.
This is the second most ridiculous post I have ever seen!! what in the heck is wrong with you folks?
They cant be serious..Just trying to get a rise out of people..Hell I hope they are not serious..


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people have evidently forgotten the reason we hunt and fish,This is a way of life for most of us,who are you folks trying to impress?


I would rather be turkey hunting
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