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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR?
[Re: Frankie]
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[quote=Frankie]
how will counting dead deer help manage the health of the herd . i keep hearing it will but no one , no one has explained it to me yet . If there were a resident wildlife biologists on here like there use to be then we would know. i already ask them simple fact is counting dead deer does no good if you don't know how many lives ones are there . just BS!!!!! Harvest trends will let you know whether something is going right or wrong....also with your logic all deer management techniques such as recording deer killed, their weights, aging by jawbones and ect should just be stopped since they are a waste of time since nobody anywhere knows exactly how many free ranging deer there are..... key word in that is "something" . there could be a lot of somethings that causes kill rates to go up or down . so you still back to guessing how to set limits after watching trends for ten years . but they (state) are not "recording their weights, aging by jawbones and ect [/quote] Fur I said is was a tool not the magic solution. Like any tool box there are multiple tools in it because more than one tool is needed to fix a lot of jobs. You will always be just guessing if you don't have enough data...
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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR?
[Re: Bamabucks14]
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01/25/16 07:24 PM
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[quote=Frankie][quote=yelkca280][quote=Frankie]
how will counting dead deer help manage the health of the herd . i keep hearing it will but no one , no one has explained it to me yet . Your the damn dumb ass!!!!!! so that's you answer ??? i'm a dumb ass !!!! If you honestly can't figure that out, then you either just don't get it or you're to hard headed to listen. Yep [/quote] you guys are really giving me good stuff . so far i'm a dumbass , hard headed and a agreement i'm hard headed . [/quote] Frankie, I don't think your and IDOT or anything at all, I wast just referring to your comment on how having a count of deer, gender, maturity etc. could not help at all. I feel that it can def. help for future conservation tatics in specific zones of the state. I like to think we all, as hunters, play an important role in conservation. [/quote] far as i know IDOT is a great guy . some times i wonder about me . i think Matt said the about 30% of the hunter surveys sent out were completed and returned . ok , send out more . fix it online so more can complete it . hell i'd fill it ever year . just from what i see here the state would get a pretty good sample of data , good data !!!!! the need to mandate this to get data is not needed .
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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR?
[Re: Clem]
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01/25/16 07:31 PM
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I really think a graduate student in sociology could write an interesting dissertation by studying the posts in the General Forum of aldeer. On about 99% of all subjects, the forum seems to be totally populated by Republicans who take the extreme far-right view on everything, and think Democrats should be publicly executed. But on issues related to wildlife management, more state rules, about half the board become Socialists. And many become flat out Communists.  I'm just kidding. No, I'm not.  I got the survey and opposed everything. I am a Freedom-Loving, True Blooded American Individualist who doesn't need the dang government to give me any additional orders. They already control way more of my life than I want. Those of you that want more laws and rules in your life should move to China so you can be with more people who think the way you do.  Kidding again. Not completely. The NRA has taken the position of not giving another inch because they know the ultimate end of all gun control initiatives. Why do people think the government is gonna be any different on wildlife issues? When they passed the 3 buck limit, one of the committee members said it was a "good beginning." Where do you think its gonna stop? Government never stops; it always wants to move to the next step and gain more control and power. I have been outraged by the fact that the legislature keeps robbing funds that were supposed to be set aside for the dcnr and using them to fund prisons. If they think they have enough money to even consider setting up checking stations, maybe our hunting license money oughta go to prisons instead of us having to pay new taxes. I'm pretty sure if they propose new taxes for prisons, aldeer is gonna be 100% against it. Its likely gonna be one or the other, so get ready to open up your billfold to pay a lot more for prisons if you really want checking stations. How many are willing to pay a lot more taxes to get these checking stations? Please tell us if you are so that the rest of us will know you are a Commie.  The day the set up checking stations will be the day I make big changes in my hunting. I am not gonna risk my life to drive to Selma, AL at night to check in a stinking deer.
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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR?
[Re: bigt]
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01/25/16 07:34 PM
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[quote=leroycnbucks][quote=Frankie]
how will counting dead deer help manage the health of the herd . i keep hearing it will but no one , no one has explained it to me yet . If there were a resident wildlife biologists on here like there use to be then we would know. i already ask them simple fact is counting dead deer does no good if you don't know how many lives ones are there . just BS!!!!! Harvest trends will let you know whether something is going right or wrong....also with your logic all deer management techniques such as recording deer killed, their weights, aging by jawbones and ect should just be stopped since they are a waste of time since nobody anywhere knows exactly how many free ranging deer there are..... key word in that is "something" . there could be a lot of somethings that causes kill rates to go up or down . so you still back to guessing how to set limits after watching trends for ten years . but they (state) are not "recording their weights, aging by jawbones and ect [/quote] Fur I said is was a tool not the magic solution. Like any tool box there are multiple tools in it because more than one tool is needed to fix a lot of jobs. You will always be just guessing if you don't have enough data... [/quote] bout what nighthunter said but i want them to use the best tools . bigt the problems you got down there didn't happen in just a couple years . the state has got to get better at setting limits . mandating bs aint gonna get it done .
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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR?
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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01/25/16 07:36 PM
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I really think a graduate student in sociology could write an interesting dissertation by studying the posts in the General Forum of aldeer. On about 99% of all subjects, the forum seems to be totally populated by Republicans who take the extreme far-right view on everything, and think Democrats should be publicly executed. But on issues related to wildlife management, more state rules, about half the board become Socialists. And many become flat out Communists.  I'm just kidding. No, I'm not.  I got the survey and opposed everything. I am a Freedom-Loving, True Blooded American Individualist who doesn't need the dang government to give me any additional orders. They already control way more of my life than I want. Those of you that want more laws and rules in your life should move to China so you can be with more people who think the way you do.  Kidding again. Not completely. The NRA has taken the position of not giving another inch because they know the ultimate end of all gun control initiatives. Why do people think the government is gonna be any different on wildlife issues? When they passed the 3 buck limit, one of the committee members said it was a "good beginning." Where do you think its gonna stop? Government never stops; it always wants to move to the next step and gain more control and power. I have been outraged by the fact that the legislature keeps robbing funds that were supposed to be set aside for the dcnr and using them to fund prisons. If they think they have enough money to even consider setting up checking stations, maybe our hunting license money oughta go to prisons instead of us having to pay new taxes. I'm pretty sure if they propose new taxes for prisons, aldeer is gonna be 100% against it. Its likely gonna be one or the other, so get ready to open up your billfold to pay a lot more for prisons if you really want checking stations. How many are willing to pay a lot more taxes to get these checking stations? Please tell us if you are so that the rest of us will know you are a Commie.  The day the set up checking stations will be the day I make big changes in my hunting. I am not gonna risk my life to drive to Selma, AL at night to check in a stinking deer. I am pretty sure there will be no physical checking stations.......phones and internet is what the modern world are using these days.
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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR?
[Re: Frankie]
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01/25/16 07:40 PM
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Frankie, It takes data to properly manage anything. This is just another data collection tool.That being said, making it mandatory is the only way to make the data collection even close to accurate.
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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR?
[Re: IDOT]
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01/25/16 07:49 PM
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Frankie, It takes data to properly manage anything. This is just another data collection tool.That being said, making it mandatory is the only way to make the data collection even close to accurate. imo , if they were collecting data on the number of live deer then it would be good data. if they should mandate this why not mandated who ever they send a hunter survey to , to fill it out and send it in or face a fine ?
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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR?
[Re: Clem]
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01/25/16 07:52 PM
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how bout this , they send out x amount of hunter surveys . ever body that does send them back send them another the next year and send out x amount to different hunters , repeat process . each year they gain more and more of good data that they could look at THEN not five/ten years down the road .
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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR?
[Re: Frankie]
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01/25/16 07:54 PM
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[quote=IDOT] to fill it out and send it in or face a fine ? Here in Oregon, every tag sold is to be reported OR person pays a $25 per tag fee not reported on his next license purchase. It could add up for the lazy type. Separate tags for deer, elk, turkey, goat, desert goats, and so on...
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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR?
[Re: kodiak06]
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01/25/16 07:59 PM
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[quote=IDOT] to fill it out and send it in or face a fine ? Here in Oregon, every tag sold is to be reported OR person pays a $25 per tag fee not reported on his next license purchase. It could add up for the lazy type. Separate tags for deer, elk, turkey, goat, desert goats, and so on... there you go we could be just like them . we could also mandate that ever kill has to have weight and age too i remember when they banned some traps up there , they were fineing people for trapping moles . lol
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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR?
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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01/25/16 09:15 PM
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I really think a graduate student in sociology could write an interesting dissertation by studying the posts in the General Forum of aldeer. On about 99% of all subjects, the forum seems to be totally populated by Republicans who take the extreme far-right view on everything, and think Democrats should be publicly executed. But on issues related to wildlife management, more state rules, about half the board become Socialists. And many become flat out Communists.  I'm just kidding. No, I'm not.  I got the survey and opposed everything. I am a Freedom-Loving, True Blooded American Individualist who doesn't need the dang government to give me any additional orders. They already control way more of my life than I want. Those of you that want more laws and rules in your life should move to China so you can be with more people who think the way you do.  Kidding again. Not completely. The NRA has taken the position of not giving another inch because they know the ultimate end of all gun control initiatives. Why do people think the government is gonna be any different on wildlife issues? When they passed the 3 buck limit, one of the committee members said it was a "good beginning." Where do you think its gonna stop? Government never stops; it always wants to move to the next step and gain more control and power. I have been outraged by the fact that the legislature keeps robbing funds that were supposed to be set aside for the dcnr and using them to fund prisons. If they think they have enough money to even consider setting up checking stations, maybe our hunting license money oughta go to prisons instead of us having to pay new taxes. I'm pretty sure if they propose new taxes for prisons, aldeer is gonna be 100% against it. Its likely gonna be one or the other, so get ready to open up your billfold to pay a lot more for prisons if you really want checking stations. How many are willing to pay a lot more taxes to get these checking stations? Please tell us if you are so that the rest of us will know you are a Commie.  The day the set up checking stations will be the day I make big changes in my hunting. I am not gonna risk my life to drive to Selma, AL at night to check in a stinking deer. Check in stations are bad idea , but mandatory reporting by phone or Internet is not. Once the federal government takes over hunting regukations, WE ARE SCRWED to no end . There is truth to what you are saying. Fortunately though our hunting is left to the state and personally I have a little more confidence in my state gov. than my federal gov . Unfortunately the people of this country have become out of touch with the federal gov. I believe ALDEER has the power to influence the posistuon of the state gov of Alabama in regards to our hunting because of the sheer number of people who loves the sport, and frequent this site. I think this is where the difference is .
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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR?
[Re: Frankie]
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01/25/16 09:23 PM
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[quote=IDOT] to fill it out and send it in or face a fine ? Here in Oregon, every tag sold is to be reported OR person pays a $25 per tag fee not reported on his next license purchase. It could add up for the lazy type. Separate tags for deer, elk, turkey, goat, desert goats, and so on... there you go we could be just like them . we could also mandate that ever kill has to have weight and age too i remember when they banned some traps up there , they were fineing people for trapping moles . lol I've been to Oregon and no offense the other guy from Oregon , but once the people of Alabama becone anything like the people of Oregon we got problems. I think the folks in alabana want limited gov. I want limited gov. But where citizens can not control the outcome without gov , and it's impacting our civilization as a whole "negatively" , then we need gov. Now, the role of gov, can be limited or it can be burdensome. We simply need limited gov to monitor our wildlife resources. That is it. Personally if the studys the state biologist are doing currently determines the fawn predatation in a large portion of alabama is high due to coyotes. I would like to see a bounty, I also would like to see efforts to restore the bobwhite quail on timber lands. Since 74% of land mass in Alabama is timber lands . Talking about making the dog hunters happy . It's a beautiful site to watch a pointer work. None of this could be possible without gov, intervention . That's why extreme to the right views would fail our country , just as extreme to the left views will .. Every situation is different and needs discussion to find common ground when gov is needed. I will always be for limited gov . And I consider myself a moderate republican for limited gov.
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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR?
[Re: Clem]
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01/25/16 10:12 PM
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Survey from the DCNR ... Questions about:
— whether you hunt deer, turkey — area in the state (has 5 areas) — whether you support/oppose mandatory check-in — how you would want a check system (phone, computer, physical check station, etc.)
And then the survey crashed while I was filling it in.
Apparently the rumors of big changes on the way are true, or some of them.
Since you DCNR and CAB guys covertly monitor this site, here's a suggestion not just from me but by many: Publicly explain with good reasoning how this information will be used for the biological benefit of deer and turkeys, and how it won't be used to create trophy bucks for the QDM crowd. Because that's a huge perception by a lot of Joe Average hunters.
Thanks for at least asking for public input about it with the survey, too, unlike the comical screw-up from a couple of years ago.
I agree that this information should be made public and no better place to do it than right here on Aldeer where the biggest number of hunters in the state gather for discussion. and no offense Clem but calling it a comical screw up last time probably is not going to bring the covert operatives into the lime light .
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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR?
[Re: Clem]
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01/25/16 10:26 PM
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I just thought of something else , that would be easy to implement with the check in system , you could give out a number to the reported deer and require that processers report that number for the deer. The tax excuse I heard from processors earler in the year is insane. And for the people who say , what about all the people who process at home? Process your deer at home and call your deer in. This would simply be a tool to help manage numbers and I'm glad to see the state is taking steps . If you impose these regulations on processers it will give you valuable information on localized deer herd numbers therefore making it easy to keep from painting A large area with a broad brush like so many people oppose doing .
For the tax cheating processors, for all crooked uncle Sam knows you charge different amounts for different deer and for different folks and even do some for free. Income shouldnt be taxed at all IMO. I would rather see taxes collected diffrently , cash handling professions encourage cheating the tax system, and the fed gov. is so out of touch I don't even consider it cheating. I consider them stealing from us . This is a whole different can of Worms.
This makes sense to do it this way to me because it puts less strain on game wardens trying to enforce the mandatory check in system. It's puts the people enforcing it with a computer collecting info . Also while your at it state, buy a few more mechanical deer . We need atleast two in lee county for nect year . And somebody introduce legislation to impose harsher fines if you get caught shooting a deer from a public road. Mandatory jail time .
Also if this leads to changing harvest regs , I would like to see a provision that a responsible game manager can get by requesting a visit from a state bioligist and he can Set his harvest record how he sees fit. Example: New regs should not effect someone who has contoled there numbers responsibly on there 10000 acres in the middle of a county with low numbers.
There will always be critics and cheaters but the biggest help will be awareness to the general public that game managment is an important issue and I believe it will benefit hunting as a whole.
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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR?
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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I really think a graduate student in sociology could write an interesting dissertation by studying the posts in the General Forum of aldeer. On about 99% of all subjects, the forum seems to be totally populated by Republicans who take the extreme far-right view on everything, and think Democrats should be publicly executed. But on issues related to wildlife management, more state rules, about half the board become Socialists. And many become flat out Communists.  I'm just kidding. No, I'm not.  I got the survey and opposed everything. I am a Freedom-Loving, True Blooded American Individualist who doesn't need the dang government to give me any additional orders. They already control way more of my life than I want. Those of you that want more laws and rules in your life should move to China so you can be with more people who think the way you do.  Kidding again. Not completely. The NRA has taken the position of not giving another inch because they know the ultimate end of all gun control initiatives. Why do people think the government is gonna be any different on wildlife issues? When they passed the 3 buck limit, one of the committee members said it was a "good beginning." Where do you think its gonna stop? Government never stops; it always wants to move to the next step and gain more control and power. I have been outraged by the fact that the legislature keeps robbing funds that were supposed to be set aside for the dcnr and using them to fund prisons. If they think they have enough money to even consider setting up checking stations, maybe our hunting license money oughta go to prisons instead of us having to pay new taxes. I'm pretty sure if they propose new taxes for prisons, aldeer is gonna be 100% against it. Its likely gonna be one or the other, so get ready to open up your billfold to pay a lot more for prisons if you really want checking stations. How many are willing to pay a lot more taxes to get these checking stations? Please tell us if you are so that the rest of us will know you are a Commie.  The day the set up checking stations will be the day I make big changes in my hunting. I am not gonna risk my life to drive to Selma, AL at night to check in a stinking deer. Winner,winner!!!
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When they passed the 3 buck limit, one of the committee members said it was a "good beginning." True, Poorcountrypreacher. The deer study committee considered going to a 1-buck limit but believed that would be too drastic and also a 2-buck limit, and settled on 3 with the "two of your choice, one with an antler restriction" currently in place. And yet there was still some of the "no one needs more than one buck a year" BS that no doubt will come up again when in the view of some the buck limit should be lowered. If that's biologically necessary and proven to be necessary, fine. If not and it's just a trophy mentality, hopefully there will be enough Joe Average Hunter folks to blunt the desire to impose more restrictions solely done to grow big antlers.
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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR?
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[quote=IDOT] to fill it out and send it in or face a fine ? Here in Oregon, every tag sold is to be reported OR person pays a $25 per tag fee not reported on his next license purchase. It could add up for the lazy type. Separate tags for deer, elk, turkey, goat, desert goats, and so on... i remember when they banned some traps up there , they were fineing people for trapping moles . lol
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Re: Anyone else get the survey email about mandatory check-in from the DCNR?
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[quote=IDOT] to fill it out and send it in or face a fine ? Here in Oregon, every tag sold is to be reported OR person pays a $25 per tag fee not reported on his next license purchase. It could add up for the lazy type. Separate tags for deer, elk, turkey, goat, desert goats, and so on... there you go we could be just like them . we could also mandate that ever kill has to have weight and age too i remember when they banned some traps up there , they were fineing people for trapping moles . lol I've been to Oregon and no offense the other guy from Oregon , but once the people of Alabama becone anything like the people of Oregon we got problems. I think the folks in alabana want limited gov. I want limited gov. But where citizens can not control the outcome without gov , and it's impacting our civilization as a whole "negatively" , then we need gov. Now, the role of gov, can be limited or it can be burdensome. We simply need limited gov to monitor our wildlife resources. That is it. I'm not 'from' Oregon, I'm from Alabama, just live here. The 'people' of Oregon and the hunters of Oregon are not the same as you think. Most Oregon hunters want limited government actions with game laws/limits/control. With that said, there are a lot more game animals here to manage than just deer, hogs, and turkey which keep ODFW busy. On a side note, if you want to piss off an Oregon hunter, mention Weyerhaeuser leasing and charging permit fees for hunting their land. If you pick the right guy, he'll explode...
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