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Re: Obama's New Gun Rules
[Re: Skinny]
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01/05/16 07:14 AM
01/05/16 07:14 AM
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Oh, bless his heart...he's teary-eyed...
Holy Sh1t! He finally acknowledged gun violence in Chicago!
Well behaved women never make history.~ Out back Quit laughing...I think I broke something.
Fifteen is my limit on Schnitzen-Gruben, Baby...
I have OCD and ADD, so everything has to be perfect, but only for a minute.
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Re: Obama's New Gun Rules
[Re: Skinny]
#1595738
01/05/16 07:15 AM
01/05/16 07:15 AM
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Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 18,071 Andalusia, Al. Covington Co.
DEADorALIVE
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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Ha...speaking of "disappointed in our leaders"...
Well behaved women never make history.~ Out back Quit laughing...I think I broke something.
Fifteen is my limit on Schnitzen-Gruben, Baby...
I have OCD and ADD, so everything has to be perfect, but only for a minute.
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Re: Obama's New Gun Rules
[Re: Skinny]
#1595739
01/05/16 07:16 AM
01/05/16 07:16 AM
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CKyleC
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I can't watch it. I'll be mad for days. I'll have to read a cliff's notes version.
"In Alabama, we prefer to kill small bucks on big properties"-Turkey247
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Re: Obama's New Gun Rules
[Re: Skinny]
#1595741
01/05/16 07:16 AM
01/05/16 07:16 AM
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Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 18,071 Andalusia, Al. Covington Co.
DEADorALIVE
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Hmm. Think I'll go kill something.
Well behaved women never make history.~ Out back Quit laughing...I think I broke something.
Fifteen is my limit on Schnitzen-Gruben, Baby...
I have OCD and ADD, so everything has to be perfect, but only for a minute.
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Re: Obama's New Gun Rules
[Re: DEADorALIVE]
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01/05/16 07:21 AM
01/05/16 07:21 AM
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Bullwinkle
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Ha...speaking of "disappointed in our leaders"... You ain't kidding... he's basically in a barry kinda way blames all this on congress wanting votes! WTF has he and the leftsided gilopies done?!?! And I'm so tired of the examples he's giving of drive by's and sandy hook... I know those are terrible things but what about the guy who turned his life around and bought a pistol and saved him and his family from someone trying to break in? Where are all those stories at? Where a normal citizen stops someone who don't give a dang what Barry is talking about, has their hombres gun and breaks in and gets blasted by a good guy? It's always smiling (or crying in this case) faces with hidden agendas
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Re: Obama's New Gun Rules
[Re: klay]
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01/05/16 07:26 AM
01/05/16 07:26 AM
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I'm more worried about the"safe gun technologies",finger print scanners and micro chips on guns. No body will be able to afford one. You're deadgum right... that's the whole point... another flaw in that idea is what if I'm gone and my "iPistol" is only programmed for my finger since I bought it and someone breaks in the house on my kids and wife and she can't dispatch the problem because it wouldn't recognize her fingertip?!?!?!
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Re: Obama's New Gun Rules
[Re: Skullworks]
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01/05/16 08:58 AM
01/05/16 08:58 AM
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Seems they are making a pretty big push against the Gun Trusts. I caught him bringing up trust and corporations for people who shouldnt have guns to hide behind. There is no telling what they will try to slip in there in the fine print.
Ethical behavior is doing the right thing when no one else is watching - even when doing the wrong thing is legal. Aldo Leopold .. (except when it comes to trailer tags)
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Re: Obama's New Gun Rules
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01/05/16 09:52 AM
01/05/16 09:52 AM
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“Numbers are relevant. The ATF and DOJ did not identify a magic number of weapons that makes you engaged in the business because that would limit their ability to bring prosecution.”
Jarret then said that selling as few as “two firearms” could require somebody to obtain a federal firearms license. However, later in the call, Attorney General Lynch revised that number down further. “It can be as few as one or two depending upon the circumstances under which the person sells the gun,” Lynch said. And I am telling you that in order to have an FFL under the law (what congress passed and he can't change) you have to be in the business of selling firearms. Now, it could be that you have only sold 1 or 2, but you are offering dozens for sale at one time. In that circumstance, the court would look at the totality of circumstances. There has never been a magic number of gun sales to trigger a FFL. It has always been "if you are engaged in the business of buying and selling firearms." You guys are missing the "engaged in business" part. There are a lot of people that are in the business of selling firearms that don't have FFLs. We have had a few try it on here and they were banned. You see them at flea markets or gun shows. They have a booth, they are there every time, travel to different shows and they are selling guns every time. There was one this weekend in Birmingham that actually had a sign that said, no FFL, No Background check required. Those type guys should be regulated, they are the ones selling guns to felons. Hell, the guy was practically saying come buy from me if you can't pass a background check.
Last edited by doekiller; 01/05/16 09:58 AM.
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Re: Obama's New Gun Rules
[Re: doekiller]
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01/05/16 11:32 AM
01/05/16 11:32 AM
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“Numbers are relevant. The ATF and DOJ did not identify a magic number of weapons that makes you engaged in the business because that would limit their ability to bring prosecution.”
Jarret then said that selling as few as “two firearms” could require somebody to obtain a federal firearms license. However, later in the call, Attorney General Lynch revised that number down further. “It can be as few as one or two depending upon the circumstances under which the person sells the gun,” Lynch said. And I am telling you that in order to have an FFL under the law (what congress passed and he can't change) you have to be in the business of selling firearms. Now, it could be that you have only sold 1 or 2, but you are offering dozens for sale at one time. In that circumstance, the court would look at the totality of circumstances. There has never been a magic number of gun sales to trigger a FFL. It has always been "if you are engaged in the business of buying and selling firearms." You guys are missing the "engaged in business" part. There are a lot of people that are in the business of selling firearms that don't have FFLs. We have had a few try it on here and they were banned. You see them at flea markets or gun shows. They have a booth, they are there every time, travel to different shows and they are selling guns every time. There was one this weekend in Birmingham that actually had a sign that said, no FFL, No Background check required. Those type guys should be regulated, they are the ones selling guns to felons. Hell, the guy was practically saying come buy from me if you can't pass a background check. Yup, some of those guys were trying to move dozens of guns on here. They were clearly not regular guys who figured they would unload an old rifle they got tired of shooting. As far as I can tell, these new regs he proposed do not do much that is different from current law. The main troubling thing is the stuff where the regs involve medical doctors. Which, if a doctor decides you should not be allowed to buy a firearm and reports you to the FBI then that opens the doctor up to be sued for a variety of civil rights violations.
Never Trust Government
"You can be broke but you cant be poor." Ruthie-May Webster
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Re: Obama's New Gun Rules
[Re: Skinny]
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01/05/16 01:19 PM
01/05/16 01:19 PM
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doekiller
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If agree with you about the stuff with doctors.
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Re: Obama's New Gun Rules
[Re: doekiller]
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01/05/16 01:26 PM
01/05/16 01:26 PM
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I do not read any of this to apply to individual sellers. It will be used to crack down on guys who buy and sell guns all the time, who set up booths at flea markets and who travel from gun show to gun show but don't have an FFL.
This is howI interpret it as well.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
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Re: Obama's New Gun Rules
[Re: doekiller]
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01/05/16 03:17 PM
01/05/16 03:17 PM
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Geeb
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“Numbers are relevant. The ATF and DOJ did not identify a magic number of weapons that makes you engaged in the business because that would limit their ability to bring prosecution.”
Jarret then said that selling as few as “two firearms” could require somebody to obtain a federal firearms license. However, later in the call, Attorney General Lynch revised that number down further. “It can be as few as one or two depending upon the circumstances under which the person sells the gun,” Lynch said. And I am telling you that in order to have an FFL under the law (what congress passed and he can't change) you have to be in the business of selling firearms. Now, it could be that you have only sold 1 or 2, but you are offering dozens for sale at one time. In that circumstance, the court would look at the totality of circumstances. There has never been a magic number of gun sales to trigger a FFL. It has always been "if you are engaged in the business of buying and selling firearms." You guys are missing the "engaged in business" part. There are a lot of people that are in the business of selling firearms that don't have FFLs. We have had a few try it on here and they were banned. You see them at flea markets or gun shows. They have a booth, they are there every time, travel to different shows and they are selling guns every time. There was one this weekend in Birmingham that actually had a sign that said, no FFL, No Background check required. Those type guys should be regulated, they are the ones selling guns to felons. Hell, the guy was practically saying come buy from me if you can't pass a background check. How many firearm related crimes are committed with guns purchased at gun shows? Best research I can find leads me to believe it is less than 1%, not really a huge deal. Let's deal with the real problem, CRIMINALS!! Leave all the law abiding gun owners alone.
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