Yeah probably a combination of both , that's what kills me all the bitching complaining, frustration, about deer numbers everywhere, and we have liberal doe harvest , along with the most pesky varnit around taking out probably just as many deer statewide as hunters . Seems like we could promote trapping and hunting of yotes in some way. If there not going to do anything or make any changes the state needs to do more to educate people on wildlife managment . there are way to many uneducated hunters on this subect.