I know a father and son who put anyone down who kills a yound buck or smaller eight point, jake turkey, etc. But i have seen them with both and they come up with some excuse. They are very greedy and jealous people and want all the deer and turkeys for themselves. The dad is president of a hunting club and will kill a four point with a crossbow but put hunters down for killing a 2.5year old eight point or jake. He thinks if he gets a person to start passing them up he can kill it later on. Very sickening situation.