Fellows lets admit ,the deer numbers are not the same they were 5 years ago.and another thing I think this will support bidt,s lack of deer and everybodys else, to I think we have educated the does to the point most of them are scared to come out because soon as they step out most people shoot them ,it makes them nocturnal as well.and 30 buck,s is a normal on most big tracts of land.if it wouldnt no one would lease the land.if everyone would keep there finger off the trigger things would get alot better.wait on the big boy then you will have something to be proud of.I know alot of people that kill does because they say they taste better,thats bullcrap deermeat is deer meat.then I know people that pay 1000$ to join a club they kill as many deer as they can,they say gotta get my money,s worth thats crap. no matter what everyone comes up with excuses.