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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: daylate]
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12/04/15 03:01 AM
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Naoh River Bottom Labs in Baldwin Co. is your best bet locally. I've been around several he's trained and they are all very well mannered dogs.
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: SouthBamaSlayer]
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12/04/15 04:29 AM
12/04/15 04:29 AM
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And also a shock collar with a remote. That worked wonders too. Broke her of some bad habits real quick. A E collar is a TOOL for training NOT a punishment.I don't agree with the clicker/treat type training. Get you a training program I like Smartworks use the OB and STICK to it and ALWAYS hold the dog in the highest standards. never let them get by with things they will take FULL advantage of that. Dogs are like kids they will do negitive things to seek attention.They want attention and will always seek out negative attention over positive. A good training program and plenty of exercise.
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: hallb]
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12/04/15 04:30 AM
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Yep excerise and an e-collar. They understand shock very well. They don't understand why your shocking them unless the OB is solid and conditioned.
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: daylate]
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12/04/15 05:54 AM
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IMO. It's just doing what any 6-7 month old lab does. Not sure what your wanting out of a lab puppy........
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: daylate]
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12/04/15 07:26 AM
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Not sure why you guys say e-collars don't work. It worked great with my lab. You don't just shock them when they misbehave, you show them the proper way to behave and reward them for it. It's the same thing as typical reward/punishment training, it just comes with a little shock that gets there attention. Dog runs off, shock it and call it back. Dog comes back, it gets a treat. Dog won't stop barking, command it to stop and shock it, dog stops barking, give it a treat. Same concept as house breaking. Dog pees in the house, put its nose in it and discipline it, then take it outside to show it where it's supposed to happen. E-collars work great if you know what you're doing.
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: SouthBamaSlayer]
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12/04/15 08:07 AM
12/04/15 08:07 AM
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Not sure why you guys say e-collars don't work. It worked great with my lab. You don't just shock them when they misbehave, you show them the proper way to behave and reward them for it. It's the same thing as typical reward/punishment training, it just comes with a little shock that gets there attention. Dog runs off, shock it and call it back. Dog comes back, it gets a treat. Dog won't stop barking, command it to stop and shock it, dog stops barking, give it a treat. Same concept as house breaking. Dog pees in the house, put its nose in it and discipline it, then take it outside to show it where it's supposed to happen. E-collars work great if you know what you're doing. I didn't say they don't just stating most using them wrong. I have a Master Level Lab. She is collar condition, I run her with a E collar 90% of the time I can use a tone to correct her and not a stimulation. Sorry Bama your training methods are not very affective. House breaking you don't allow the dog to ever use the bathroom in the house,yes accidents happen, but 90% of the time its the owners fault. Always take a pup out when the wake up,after they eat and drink and I always take them out every 45 mins, Then after a few weeks I up it to a hr, and so on for a few months. Then the pup knows. As its doing its business out side depending I use that word Pee or Poop. Every dog Ive owned and train will go on command. I never rub its nose in it. They don't understand. If they do go inside and I catch them I say NO. They will get the hang of it quickly. Its easier to lock them in a tile room and put down puppy pads.Thats saying its ok to go in the house.I never correct a dog with a ecollar on house breaking.I'e trained 3 Labs myself to Senior to Master levels.Mine are 100% house broken,mine do not chew on things except for Nylabones. Mine are VERY well behaved when company is around. And only bark when something is not right which I allow and want. MY lil dog she is sassy and mouthy and never was able to break her of that,but we love her anyways. Always hold them to the highest standards and NEVER let them slide or get by with something they will abuse it and try to get with other things as well.
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: daylate]
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12/04/15 08:16 AM
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E-collars work in the right hands. I used to train with a guy that if he had a bad day at the office his dog was in for a really bad time training. An electric collar can destroy a good dog if not done right. I know I have seen it happen.
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: WIDGEON]
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12/04/15 08:18 AM
12/04/15 08:18 AM
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Not sure why you guys say e-collars don't work. It worked great with my lab. You don't just shock them when they misbehave, you show them the proper way to behave and reward them for it. It's the same thing as typical reward/punishment training, it just comes with a little shock that gets there attention. Dog runs off, shock it and call it back. Dog comes back, it gets a treat. Dog won't stop barking, command it to stop and shock it, dog stops barking, give it a treat. Same concept as house breaking. Dog pees in the house, put its nose in it and discipline it, then take it outside to show it where it's supposed to happen. E-collars work great if you know what you're doing. I didn't say they don't just stating most using them wrong. I have a Master Level Lab. She is collar condition, I run her with a E collar 90% of the time I can use a tone to correct her and not a stimulation. Sorry Bama your training methods are not very affective. House breaking you don't allow the dog to ever use the bathroom in the house,yes accidents happen, but 90% of the time its the owners fault. Always take a pup out when the wake up,after they eat and drink and I always take them out every 45 mins, Then after a few weeks I up it to a hr, and so on for a few months. Then the pup knows. As its doing its business out side depending I use that word Pee or Poop. Every dog Ive owned and train will go on command. I never rub its nose in it. They don't understand. If they do go inside and I catch them I say NO. They will get the hang of it quickly. Its easier to lock them in a tile room and put down puppy pads.Thats saying its ok to go in the house.I never correct a dog with a ecollar on house breaking.I'e trained 3 Labs myself to Senior to Master levels.Mine are 100% house broken,mine do not chew on things except for Nylabones. Mine are VERY well behaved when company is around. And only bark when something is not right which I allow and want. MY lil dog she is sassy and mouthy and never was able to break her of that,but we love her anyways. Always hold them to the highest standards and NEVER let them slide or get by with something they will abuse it and try to get with other things as well. I didn't say that's the whole process of how I house break my dogs. It's only part of it. I agree they should be taken out in intervals and that accidents can happen. Have you ever considered that there are multiple ways to train a dog? And that your way isn't necessarily the only way? Because it doesn't seem like it. I congratulate you on have master level labs, it's an accomplishment, but not everyone wants, needs, or has the opportunity/time to achieve that. My training way worked well for my lab, and it may work for his. Yours will probably work well for his lab as well, but don't tell people their training ways are ineffective when they have a good dog and obviously are effective.
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: SouthBamaSlayer]
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12/04/15 08:30 AM
12/04/15 08:30 AM
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WIDGEON
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Not sure why you guys say e-collars don't work. It worked great with my lab. You don't just shock them when they misbehave, you show them the proper way to behave and reward them for it. It's the same thing as typical reward/punishment training, it just comes with a little shock that gets there attention. Dog runs off, shock it and call it back. Dog comes back, it gets a treat. Dog won't stop barking, command it to stop and shock it, dog stops barking, give it a treat. Same concept as house breaking. Dog pees in the house, put its nose in it and discipline it, then take it outside to show it where it's supposed to happen. E-collars work great if you know what you're doing. I didn't say they don't just stating most using them wrong. I have a Master Level Lab. She is collar condition, I run her with a E collar 90% of the time I can use a tone to correct her and not a stimulation. Sorry Bama your training methods are not very affective. House breaking you don't allow the dog to ever use the bathroom in the house,yes accidents happen, but 90% of the time its the owners fault. Always take a pup out when the wake up,after they eat and drink and I always take them out every 45 mins, Then after a few weeks I up it to a hr, and so on for a few months. Then the pup knows. As its doing its business out side depending I use that word Pee or Poop. Every dog Ive owned and train will go on command. I never rub its nose in it. They don't understand. If they do go inside and I catch them I say NO. They will get the hang of it quickly. Its easier to lock them in a tile room and put down puppy pads.Thats saying its ok to go in the house.I never correct a dog with a ecollar on house breaking.I'e trained 3 Labs myself to Senior to Master levels.Mine are 100% house broken,mine do not chew on things except for Nylabones. Mine are VERY well behaved when company is around. And only bark when something is not right which I allow and want. MY lil dog she is sassy and mouthy and never was able to break her of that,but we love her anyways. Always hold them to the highest standards and NEVER let them slide or get by with something they will abuse it and try to get with other things as well. I didn't say that's the whole process of how I house break my dogs. It's only part of it. I agree they should be taken out in intervals and that accidents can happen. Have you ever considered that there are multiple ways to train a dog? And that your way isn't necessarily the only way? Because it doesn't seem like it. I congratulate you on have master level labs, it's an accomplishment, but not everyone wants, needs, or has the opportunity/time to achieve that. My training way worked well for my lab, and it may work for his. Yours will probably work well for his lab as well, but don't tell people their training ways are ineffective when they have a good dog and obviously are effective. Ive trained each with a different program, So yes I know there is. No not everyone wants a Hunting or Hunt test dog. But OB should be the same for whatever type of dog you want.Unless you want a out of control dog. That was my point. A dog does not know it has to be taught, after it is taught then it knows, and then you can correct it.Lardy, Evan Graham, 10 min retriever as well as others are great programs,but the OB part are all usually very close.
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: daniel white]
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12/04/15 01:47 PM
12/04/15 01:47 PM
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IMO. It's just doing what any 6-7 month old lab does. Not sure what your wanting out of a lab puppy........ I was thinking the same thing. Yours might be a little on the wired side but I'd bet this is the worst of it. I betcha exercise and neutering will go a long way with your dog.
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