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Re: Regulations
[Re: Clem]
#1513378
11/09/15 05:08 AM
11/09/15 05:08 AM
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Lee county Bama
RonBuck
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Lee county Bama
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RonBuck, what kind of growth did you get in your exclusion cages on those fields? More, or the same?
I don't have exclusion cages .. And before you jump to conclusions I live here and there have been no tracks they are not using it it was a waste of my time and Money it's right next to a hardwood bottom full of white oaks .. Plain and simple I have a weak population here . I get what you all are saying about kess regulatiions , I just feel there is a majority exsoeriencing what I am . Atleast around here .
Last edited by RonBuck; 11/09/15 05:11 AM.
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Re: Regulations
[Re: screggieLee]
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11/09/15 05:11 AM
11/09/15 05:11 AM
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Round ‘bout there
Clem
Mildly Quirky
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Mildly Quirky
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Round ‘bout there
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Wasn't jumping to conclusions. I'm a white guy and can't jump. Was just curious. I used to hunt in south Lee County so I know there's not a ginormous population.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Regulations
[Re: screggieLee]
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11/09/15 05:26 AM
11/09/15 05:26 AM
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McCalla, Alabama
MarkBAMA
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12 point
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 5,103
McCalla, Alabama
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It's called Freedom. At least for a little while longer. You are free to do whatever you want on your little piece of heaven.
Check back in a few months with pics of that field once all of the acorns and mast crops are gone.
ROLL TIDE !!!
Enough Said....
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Re: Regulations
[Re: RonBuck]
#1513434
11/09/15 06:01 AM
11/09/15 06:01 AM
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Posts: 52,131
Round ‘bout there
Clem
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it's frustrating to have kids and want to teach them to hunt, and can't see a deer because your neighbors shoot everything they see . Yes, it is if the neighbors actually do that. The neighbors say the same about all their neighbors. I've heard that same mantra throughout the country, from Florida to New York and Texas to the upper Midwest. It's not always true but it's easy to say and believe. It's also frustrating to take young kids who don't understand or comprehend anything about "mature bucks" or QDM or why Billy BuckHunter wants him/her to shoot a "big buck" and are told they can't shoot a deer because the doe quota has been met or it's "buck season" or that buck they are watching 40 yards away isn't big enough and they might be able to see it next season when it's bigger and "gosh, wouldn't you WANT to shoot a bigger buck?" ... the implication being that they're not a 'real' hunter if they shoot something little. And so unless Little Jimmy or Susie is being indoctrinated in the uber-QDM household, they get bored and decide deer hunting is boring, sucks and they don't want to go again because they were't allowed to shoot something due to some crazy management regulations. Have seen it first hand. Kids want action starting out. They want to pull the trigger. They don't give two chits at that age and stage about mature buck management and QDM or whatever. They merely want to be included in the hunting fraternity, get bloody, see something die and move successfully into that first stage of hunting: actually killing something to become a hunter. Not having anything to shoot, or being told they can't shoot something "because it's not big enough," will turn them away quickly. Same with duck hunting or fishing. I feel sorry for the adults who tell their kids that a 18-bass day wasn't good because they "didn't catch any big keepers" or their limit of ducks isn't good "because they shot nasty gadwalls and divers." Hunters are our own worst enemies.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Regulations
[Re: screggieLee]
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11/09/15 06:23 AM
11/09/15 06:23 AM
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Round ‘bout there
Clem
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Less than 150, Atoler, of family land. The actual best huntable part is far less than that, so I don't hunt it often to try to keep from pressuring it but that's just about a lost cause. Surrounded by some hunters who I believe are 8-point or better, a second club I think with similar ideas who drives through our (my) part to get to theirs, and a third neighbor landowner who I don't believe hunts unless there's a buck standing in his back yard.
Why?
Last edited by Clem; 11/09/15 06:25 AM.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Regulations
[Re: Clem]
#1513496
11/09/15 06:47 AM
11/09/15 06:47 AM
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Posts: 8,363
Montgomery
WmHunter
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14 point
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Posts: 8,363
Montgomery
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We don't need more government intrusion in our lives.
That is for sure.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
" Chuck Sykes is a dictator control freak like Vladimir Putin " WmHunter
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Re: Regulations
[Re: Clem]
#1513505
11/09/15 06:54 AM
11/09/15 06:54 AM
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Posts: 8,670
NW Alabama
R_H_Clark
Leupold Pro Staff
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Leupold Pro Staff
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NW Alabama
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it's frustrating to have kids and want to teach them to hunt, and can't see a deer because your neighbors shoot everything they see . Yes, it is if the neighbors actually do that. The neighbors say the same about all their neighbors. I've heard that same mantra throughout the country, from Florida to New York and Texas to the upper Midwest. It's not always true but it's easy to say and believe. It's also frustrating to take young kids who don't understand or comprehend anything about "mature bucks" or QDM or why Billy BuckHunter wants him/her to shoot a "big buck" and are told they can't shoot a deer because the doe quota has been met or it's "buck season" or that buck they are watching 40 yards away isn't big enough and they might be able to see it next season when it's bigger and "gosh, wouldn't you WANT to shoot a bigger buck?" ... the implication being that they're not a 'real' hunter if they shoot something little. And so unless Little Jimmy or Susie is being indoctrinated in the uber-QDM household, they get bored and decide deer hunting is boring, sucks and they don't want to go again because they were't allowed to shoot something due to some crazy management regulations. Have seen it first hand. Kids want action starting out. They want to pull the trigger. They don't give two chits at that age and stage about mature buck management and QDM or whatever. They merely want to be included in the hunting fraternity, get bloody, see something die and move successfully into that first stage of hunting: actually killing something to become a hunter. Not having anything to shoot, or being told they can't shoot something "because it's not big enough," will turn them away quickly. Same with duck hunting or fishing. I feel sorry for the adults who tell their kids that a 18-bass day wasn't good because they "didn't catch any big keepers" or their limit of ducks isn't good "because they shot nasty gadwalls and divers." Hunters are our own worst enemies. My sentiments exactly Clem. I have an 11 year old girl that is busting to kill a deer, any legal deer. We had a couple chances last year at a couple does but she being a new hunter made some mistakes and didn't get to fire a shot. Being 11 now, I only have a small window to teach her because by 15 or so she won't be nearly as interested if she never gets to kill one because some trophy hunted wants to see more 12 points. He isn't satisfied with all the 8 points and 10 points he has killed so he wants to restrict my daughter from shooting her first deer because it might grow into something worthy of him shooting.
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Re: Regulations
[Re: Clem]
#1513553
11/09/15 07:34 AM
11/09/15 07:34 AM
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Jefferson
Fun4all
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10 point
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Posts: 3,494
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it's frustrating to have kids and want to teach them to hunt, and can't see a deer because your neighbors shoot everything they see . Yes, it is if the neighbors actually do that. The neighbors say the same about all their neighbors. I've heard that same mantra throughout the country, from Florida to New York and Texas to the upper Midwest. It's not always true but it's easy to say and believe. It's also frustrating to take young kids who don't understand or comprehend anything about "mature bucks" or QDM or why Billy BuckHunter wants him/her to shoot a "big buck" and are told they can't shoot a deer because the doe quota has been met or it's "buck season" or that buck they are watching 40 yards away isn't big enough and they might be able to see it next season when it's bigger and "gosh, wouldn't you WANT to shoot a bigger buck?" ... the implication being that they're not a 'real' hunter if they shoot something little. And so unless Little Jimmy or Susie is being indoctrinated in the uber-QDM household, they get bored and decide deer hunting is boring, sucks and they don't want to go again because they were't allowed to shoot something due to some crazy management regulations. Have seen it first hand. Kids want action starting out. They want to pull the trigger. They don't give two chits at that age and stage about mature buck management and QDM or whatever. They merely want to be included in the hunting fraternity, get bloody, see something die and move successfully into that first stage of hunting: actually killing something to become a hunter. Not having anything to shoot, or being told they can't shoot something "because it's not big enough," will turn them away quickly. Same with duck hunting or fishing. I feel sorry for the adults who tell their kids that a 18-bass day wasn't good because they "didn't catch any big keepers" or their limit of ducks isn't good "because they shot nasty gadwalls and divers." Hunters are our own worst enemies. Pretty much been saying this for years. One thing I will add is take the kids to the woods when you are not "hunting" and teach them about what's in the woods, why it's there , where it's going, what it's doing, teach them about the woods and woodsmanship and in general about the planet that they live in and HOW TO HUNT! Plunking their butt down on a green field without the other stuff is not doing a damn thing for them other than teaching them how to sit on a green field. Let kids mature into their own hunter and stop forcing the gianormous is better than enjoyment BS via condescension and damn sure not through regulation!! Educate, do not mandate!!
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Re: Regulations
[Re: screggieLee]
#1513573
11/09/15 07:50 AM
11/09/15 07:50 AM
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Sumter County
sumpter_al
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10 point
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Posts: 3,574
Sumter County
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Question for those of you who want no restrictions... Should we have seasons? Should you be able to shoot fawns? If you feel you should be able to kill whatever kind of deer you see how do you justify that?
There is a place for restrictions and rules. They are required because some people cant control themselves. I personally would prefer to keep the 3 buck restriction and allow only 3 bucks to be taken per season.
And before someone says "its my land and I should be able to do what I want on it". It is not your land. Stop paying your property taxes and the State will take it from you.
I love my country, but don't trust my government.
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Re: Regulations
[Re: screggieLee]
#1513576
11/09/15 07:53 AM
11/09/15 07:53 AM
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Posts: 6,095
Anniston, AL
ikillbux
ishootatbux
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ishootatbux
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Posts: 6,095
Anniston, AL
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Alabama does not have the money or man-power to do it like it ought to be done. Not trying to be funny about that, that's my serious opinion. It's like we're trying to fight a forest fire with a garden hose.
1. Must be county-based regulations.
2. Any landowner or lessee could apply for special regs on their land.
3. Increased game warden presence in each county (maybe a dozen in each county).
4. Regarding tags or reporting systems, the majority of people will be non-participatory or dishonest. (See #3)
5. WMAs seem to be pretty well run. Leave them alone.
That's really about it.
Last edited by ikillbux; 11/09/15 08:07 AM.
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