Well, God IS big enough to do whatever He wants. Always has been, always will be.

Cmon Clem, that's still a conjecture remark. We have a clear and full revelation of creation that doesn't disclose nor allow for life other than HERE. If there is, throw your Bible in the trash.

I don't put God in a box. I believe He can do anything at any time, anywhere, in any part of the universe we live in or others.

Precisely the opposite. If it is in the Bible, then it is Absolutely True.

The Bible was not, is not and will never be a scientific textbook. It doesn't need to be. To say "if it's not in the Bible it doesn't exist or it's not true" is a logical fallacy, one I'm not willing to ever say. Absence of evidence/evidence of absence. We all must be careful not to fall into a logic fallacy trap.

And for follow up:

We can know what is true if we are willing to accept God at His Word.

Here are a few examples:

In Genesis 1.

1. God created the heavens (plural) and the earth. Designed and created by him.
2. Water was here when God created, before He made dry land appear and before the earth even had its form, not brought about by comets.
3. God in his design set things in place.
4. We are given a reason for the lights, heavens, stars--to be signs and markers for the seasons and years and for light. They are to serve his created earth, our planet.

We can know what is true also as revealed in Job and Isaiah where we can read in God's Word a little more how God designed and manipulated the universe.

Job 9:7-10
7 who commands the sun, and it does not rise;
who seals up the stars;
8 who alone stretched out the heavens
and trampled the waves of the sea;
9 who made the Bear and Orion,
the Pleiades and the chambers of the south;
10 who does great things beyond searching out,
and marvelous things beyond number.

Job 38: entire chapter reveals God is the creator and author and has set and ordained everything.

Isaiah 44:24
24 Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer,
who formed you from the womb:
“I am the Lord, who made all things,
who alone stretched out the heavens,
who spread out the earth by myself,

Isaiah 45: 11-12
11 Thus says the Lord,
the Holy One of Israel, and the one who formed him:
“Ask me of things to come;
will you command me concerning my children and the work of my hands?
12 I made the earth
and created man on it;
it was my hands that stretched out the heavens,
and I commanded all their host.

Just examples of plan, design and purpose. Either we base our biblical worldview on that or we ignore it/reject it and formulate our own manmade worldview on the subject. It is one or the other.

Now will we be left with questions? Absolutely! I have tons!
Will we ponder and wonder the why, how, reasons? Absolutely!
But we can, if we choose, do that pondering and reasoning within a Biblical framework and worldview.

Clem, you are right about God, He is all-knowing, all-powerful, Omnipotent, All-Mighty. There is nothing he cannot do, BUT be unjust, wrong or lie. God cannot be perfect and imperfect at the same time, so we know what he says and does is true-just-right 100% of the time.

For me, when I read his Word I see a clear presentation of what he did on earth and his purposes and precepts--knowing that I only see a fraction of what is to be seen. I'm not God , so I am severely limited in my understanding and ability. So when God tells me that He created the universe and the heavenly bodies are there for a purpose to serve the earth----I just take it as Truth. So when He tells me of creation, the fall of man, the curse, Christ, salvation and the Gospel message--and all of the logical conclusions that come from that kind of study--I just take it as Truth.

The impact of evolutionary science is so very strong, that too often we try to make the Bible fit into what secular science has claimed and repeats as true, even in cases with no proof--just ideas that appear sound from a secular viewpoint. I think many believers feel the need to blend the intellectual secular "truths" with the Bible TRUTHS...and it is a trap to ensnare some into believing all manner of myths, legends and falsehoods.

Now there is real and legitimate science and technology that is very much true that the Bible never speaks on. But the fundamental concepts of that science do not alter the Word either. Computers and binary code; Medical advancements; Rockets and spaceships; Construction and design---so many things never even talked about in the Bible...but they do not counter the Gospel message either. So we advance as a culture and live in harmony with some science and the Word of God.

Now there are scientific fields where real science advances into theory and lots of bloviating on origins, creation, processes, evolution, environmentalism, age of earth, geology, etc... We can study rocks and know all the properties and uses, but we can then start prescribing ages to them with fallible procedures and make conclusions that the earth is billions of years old....or we can take animal biology to the next level and begin to claim evolution as true without real facts just theories----these are the types of things that start going against and counter to the Word and the Gospel.

I'm rambling, but I want to be clear I'm not limiting God by pointing out what He has addressed already.

Every 1.6 years would be the shortest route to mars...and flying time is 260 days.... without no rest areas... No thanks...I'll just hang around here...

Me too. If I can't drive myself and carry a pistol I AIN'T GOING.

Look up Elon Musk on YouTube. He says he will be extremely disappointed if there aren't 80,000 people living on Mars by 2050.

Ambitious? Maybe. But he is dead serious. He's a fascinating guy.

https://youtu.be/FeXMzLgYeIg

Sounds like a cheap cologne.

I hope Musk is one of the ones living up there. If he's so keen on it then he should volunteer to be on the first ship.

I know it as a fact because, as a matter of FACT, despite there being a 50+ year effort to discover alien life outside our solar system ALL of the evidence, as in 100%, is that there is none.

I agree, good post.

And the Bible says it's round.
Always did say it is round - right back in the Old Testament.

See Isaiah 40:21-22

Back during the Middle Ages there were RCC theologians who apparently never read the above passage and just looked at what is clearly a **metaphor** in the New Testament about Christ gathering his elect "from the four corners of the Earth" when he returns, so they in error concluded that if there are "four corners" then the Earth must be flat. That is where that came from. Again, when the Bible clearly stated Earth was a round sphere.

Not sure why the hostility. The first ship is set to depart somewhere around 2024, I believe, and all 10,000 applicants are volunteers, as will be anyone who chooses to take the voyage.

I mean, if you want to get technical, the passage you cited says "circle", not "sphere". circles are, technically, 2-dimensional. So by that reasoning, Earth could be both a circle AND flat.

That is called HUMAN REASONING. And that is what is going on with the "all those solar systems, planets, galaxies, etc. etc.", speculative/probability analysis.

And the point Straycat was making is this:

#1 we need to be aware that there is such a thing as HUMAN REASONING and there is such a thing as BIBLICAL REASONING/WORLDVIEW.

#2 They are not the same.

#3 They are rarely if ever in accord.

#4 For a believer in Christ, the person should be subscribing to the Biblical worldview first and foremost, really always.

The Bible does not leave room for space aliens/life (meaning intelligent life as in other people out there) whatsoever. And you cannot legitimately apply HUMAN REASONING that is based on pure speculation to refute Scripture.

Now, I grew up believing in UFOs, space aliens, etc. When I was a kid I collected UFO magazines, got into astronomy, and would be the first to say that with all the solar systems, planets and galaxies out there that there MUST be other life (people) out there. I even built models of space ships, flying saucers etc.

Then as I grew up, learned more science and especially learned more Scripture, I realized that that was all fun and fanciful thinking - and was not real science and was certainly not something supported by Scripture.

But as I said before, there will come a point when there is a great global deception, and it is very possible that there will be a space alien "highly super evolved man/people " will show up and be presented as our saviors and the AntiChrist could be claimed to be such a person. That could very well be an aspect of the demonic deception that is coming (we already have massive global demonic deception, not just the supernatural part yet).

WM-- aren't you the member that predicted some major catastrophic event to occur yesterday due to the blood moons?

What is space?

No hostility. I just think if Musk believes in it so fervently then he should volunteer to go live there and report, and continue doing his research. I think he's a highly intelligent, curious person and probably one of our modern whizzes. Arrogant, but a lot of folks like him are.



As for "human reasoning," well, I'll stick with what I've said: God is bigger than anything and can do anything He wants at any time, past-present-future.