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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
[Re: Forrestgump1]
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09/28/15 01:49 PM
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Quite a few reasons why we wont ever make it up there. #1 its too cold. #2 oxygen? #3 we cant even get our shucks together on this floating egg. #4 Thanks obama If you have water and sunlight you can make oxygen (electrolysis). On Mars you can probably use the UV light to create O2(gas) from CO2 or something. Of course you can use the CO2 for the plants. With the hydrogen created from the electrolysis of the water to create Oxygen there my be other ways to get more oxygen from some oxide mineral. You can mix the H gas and O gas in a fuel cell to create electricity, clean water, and heat. Since the winds are less dense you can have a very light weight solar cells without worry of them blowing away.
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
[Re: Flyway]
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09/28/15 01:57 PM
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
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09/28/15 02:04 PM
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Alright, so oxygen is possible. But what about the weather? Food? Pretty sure nothing will grow at -64 degrees. Green houses, they are easy to build out of almost anything, just look in the Garden Forum.
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
[Re: straycat]
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09/28/15 02:49 PM
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is there anything Biblically that precludes any possibility of life on other planets? I'd say the Gospel message proves it. Genesis and Revelation are forever linked, as well as every word in between. But does the Bible ever say that we are the only life? I dont recall that, and I believe if there is life somewhere else God created it. Do you believe that God created the other stars or just ours? Could he have created life there too? They could also have been created in his image. This thread reminds me of a joke a youth minister told me once. There are a group of geneticists who tell God that they appreciate all he has done but they can do the same things. They can manipulate cells to change them, create new species and new plants. They tell God "we dont need you anymore." God smiles and says "Lets have one last test" He reaches down and grabs a handfull of dirt and poof a new animal is created. Nothing like it has ever existed. God smiles at the scientists ans says "your turn." The scientists start to reach for some dirt and God interupts them "STOP!! you must get your own dirt for this test". Needless to say the scientists failed, because everything we have came from God. Agreed. God is powerful enough to do anything like that he wanted. The reason I say the Gospel message and Bible in entirety shows that life doesn't exist elsewhere is this: Jesus dying on the cross. Genesis points to why Christ did that and Revelation points to eternity. Creation of life in other places doesn't make sense to me in light of the Gospel. God made the earth first, then all the other stars, moons, etc... The fall of Adam brought a curse on ALL CREATION and all of creation was from then on subject to sin, death, bondage and decay. Other life then, though not related, would also be subject to this since all of creation is under the curse. Christ came to this planet to teach, preach and save...paid the penalty here, gave the gospel message here...offers total redemption and restoration here. Non related life on some distant place, suffering the same curse and gaining the same redemption? Is this other life sinless? Did they too have a fall from grace, suffer the wrath of God and need a savior? Will Jesus have to go die there too? The Son of God should go visit every planet, moon or star where life may exist to repeat the process? ----just doesn't harmonize with Scripture. Again, just my take on it. Bible isn't red letter clear perhaps with specific verses saying life doesn't exist...true. But contextually, it doesn't make sense. I could be wrong, but from my limited understanding of God and His Word---Earth and earth alone was and is where God chose to create life. Nothing that you just said precludes the concept that he could have done the very same thing [Or something similar] on millions of other planets. Maybe every planet out there thinks they are just as "special" as we think we are when they read their version of the Bible that God gave them. Just sayin'... And before anyone gets the wrong impression, I believe that Jesus is God incarnate and the one true path to salvation, however I have an open mind and have the intelligence to see the world and the universe for what it is... A place or undiscovered, infinite possibilities.
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
[Re: N2TRKYS]
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09/28/15 02:50 PM
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I hear you N2TRKYS, but the space program is really a huge success story for the common man. The money invested has come back to the taxpayer many times over. Without it, for the most part, the computer industry would not exist for the individual, GPS, internet, microwave technology, carbon structure technology, and much more. It is one government program that has some of the best minds in the world working almost as a private industry. And no, I don't work for NASA, I'm not nearly smart enough... Inventions are built out of necessity. Those things mentioned above may have been invented and expanded upon, anyway. I'm not against the placing and upkeep of satellites. But, I'm not so sure that water on Mars will affect most people's day to day life. The technology that allowed those inventions to come about in our lifetime mostly originated from research and development of the space age science. Who knows when it would have happened otherwise? Without people that are curious, forward thinking, with foresight beyond the obvious and an inherent drive of wanting to see what's over there, you develop nothing. This country was founded on basically someone wondering what's over there?? Lets go see... What will be beneficial from finding water on Mars? What is their next step? I don't know, Brad. Maybe nothing. Maybe the next discovery will though or the next. Or the process and science will spin off something that will.
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
[Re: 300Ruger]
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09/28/15 03:26 PM
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You want proof of life in space?
A long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away....
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
[Re: straycat]
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09/28/15 03:49 PM
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You also have to take into account that there can be life on other planets but it can be spiritless life, thus negating the need for the Savior. Jesus didn't come to this earth to redeem every living thing, He came to redeem mankind, whom God created with a spirit...the only thing that will live forever.
For the record, I don't believe that there is life anywhere else other than earth. I don't have any evidence of that nor do I have any hard Biblical proof. It's just a personal opinion. But I do think it's healthy to explore other views on it as long as those views don't go against the truth found in God's word. Romans 8:19-21 19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. Not trying to argue, really I'm not. There are so many what ifs out there to be pondered...and I ponder them too. Exploring other viewpoints is a good thing. But eventually we have to go to the one and only source or knowable absolute Truth that exists and rest there. Creation will be redeemed too. New heaven and new earth (2 Peter 3:13, Rev 21:1) That's a great point and I appreciate the dialogue. Like I said, it's healthy to explore differing view points. Don't lose sight of what happens to the old/current earth before we get the new earth. The earth is cursed because of man's sin, as part of the punishment for man's sin. Jesus did not come to redeem nature and all of creation, he came to redeem sinful man. Just as creation was cursed because of man's sin, so will it be made new because of Christ's salvation of man. If you notice in your scripture you quoted, it doesn't say that creation waits for Jesus, it actually never mentions Jesus, it says it waits for the revealing of the sons of God. Because creation knows that the byproduct of man's redemption is its "redemption", as well, if you can call being burned up redemption.
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! - Patrick Henry
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
[Re: 300Ruger]
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09/28/15 05:39 PM
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Y'all can have all the what ifs, maybes, concepts and ideas you want. Explore them. Nothing wrong with wondering. I have many things I like to ponder on creation, the universe, God.
But just because the bible doesn't specifically list out that when God stretched out the heavens to where they are now thathe didn't put life there.....doesn't make it true or even plausible. Is it possible? Sure, because God is sovereign. But being possible and being in harmony with scripture are two different things, in my view. I know many like to think different. Fine by me.
The earth is just a speck, but my what a magnificent speck. Universe is so large we don't even know how big it really is. But believers know God picked this specific speck and created an amazing earth and he then dwelled among us. Evolutionary agenda commonly uses the "small speck" argument to diminish how special God's planet Earth creation really is...their plan to get you looking into space rather than to Heaven...wondering at the creation rather than the creator.
Space is cool, but don't loose your gravity.
"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever." Isaiah 40:8
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
[Re: Beer Belly]
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09/28/15 05:50 PM
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You guys may want to open your mind and pick up a science book. This is a picture taken by the Hubble Telescope. The Hubble was pointed at a point in space that was void of any stars. Count the galaxies. Do you guys understand how insignificant that we are in the universe. It takes light 100,000 years to go across our galaxy. Takes 9 mins from the Sun to Earth. There are 200 billion stars in our galaxy, and over 100 billion planets. Think of our GALAXY as one spec of light in the photo below. That photo is looking in a single direction into space through a tiny hole void of a star. Those aren't stars. Those are galaxies of billions of stars and planets. ![[Linked Image]](http://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2012/09/deepest.jpg) Amazing stuff! A scientist can't take off his science goggles and look at space in biblical terms A Christian or any other religious person can't take off their religion goggles and look at space in scientific terms. The truth is somewhere in the middle.
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
[Re: 300Ruger]
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09/28/15 06:10 PM
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IDOT,
I understand what you mean. What I think you are really seeing just different interpretations of same set of facts. Interpretations based on presuppositions and biases on both sides.
What you are seeing is Biblical worldview vs. Secular worldview. The universe is the same, but the how and why are different based on worldview. If one doesn't believe God created per the bible, then they cannot give credence to anything that holds God as the creator. If one doesn't believe in evolutionary secular science theory, then they cannot give credence to manmade concepts that are theories when they are in direct conflict with God's word.
However, there are many many many things and vast areas where science, even theory, and the bible mesh and harmonize perfectly.
"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever." Isaiah 40:8
"Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt.� Samuel Adams
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
[Re: straycat]
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09/29/15 03:11 AM
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But just because the bible doesn't specifically list out that when God stretched out the heavens to where they are now that he didn't put life there.....doesn't make it true or even plausible. Is it possible? Sure, because God is sovereign. But being possible and being in harmony with scripture are two different things, in my view. Exactly. It's definitely possible but, again, I agree that I don't believe it's probable, either. God gives us a fairly detailed account in Genesis of all the types of life that He created, to the point that if He had created life on another planet I believe He would have told us. We actually agree more than we differ. But it's still that sliver of possibility that makes it fun to ponder the question "What if..."
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! - Patrick Henry
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
[Re: 300Ruger]
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09/29/15 03:16 AM
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So if it's not in the Bible it doesn't exist or it's not true?
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
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So if it's not in the Bible it doesn't exist or it's not true?
I don't think that's the case in this instance. The Bible doesn't specifically talk about God creating life outside of the earth but neither does it specifically rule it out, which makes it still a possibility. The reason I personally don't think that there is life on other planets is because of how the Bible details the account of creation in Genesis and the detail God gives in describing all of the life that He did create here on Earth...I think that if He had created life on other planets He would have said so. But, again, that's just my opinion.
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! - Patrick Henry
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
[Re: 300Ruger]
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what about in genesis he cast out cane(I think) and it said he went to the other city, there wasn't any mention of that city or its people until then, even though, like you said it was very detailed about who and what he created.
I like the verse in the bible were jesus said my fathers kingdom has many mansions.
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
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09/29/15 04:00 AM
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what about in genesis he cast out cane(I think) and it said he went to the other city, there wasn't any mention of that city or its people until then, even though, like you said it was very detailed about who and what he created.
I like the verse in the bible were jesus said my fathers kingdom has many mansions. Just like with aliens, there are a lot of different theories on that. My personal opinion is that, even though creation of living things started in the Garden of Eden, God never intended for it to remain there. He told Adam and Eve to "be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth and govern it." I believe that the people were the descendants of Adam and Eve. There are several instances in the Old Testament where relatives marry and have kids. God didn't command against incest until somewhere in Leviticus. In the early period right after creation the human genetic code was fairly clean and didn't contain any of the defects that we see now. Straycat can probably give some good input, too. He is very knowledgeable on stuff like this.
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! - Patrick Henry
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
[Re: 300Ruger]
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09/29/15 04:21 AM
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Mr. Garrison's evolutionary theory explains some of that genetic code mixup.
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Re: Major NASA Mars announcement
[Re: 300Ruger]
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09/29/15 04:41 AM
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Since this turned into a biblical debate, I feel the urge to go off on my broken record rant again...
This whole business of conjecturing "what ifs" and "God is big enough to do what He wants" bullcrap is just that-- bullcrap.
First off, it's an "Imago Dei" issue.
Next off, scripture is not that vague on all these issues that people say aren't addressed in the Bible.
Next, the meta-narrative of scripture overall doesn't concede for life other than what was disclosed in the creation account.
But again, my real hot button with most folks is this notion that there's all these mysteries and possibilities of things that "the Bible isn't clear about or doesn't mention". That's just not true for 99% of the examples given, WHEN you rightly grasp the things I mentioned above.
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